Shell Game (Day 8)

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hey y'all!

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UNVOTE:

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tbh i'm kinda liking luke rn.

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catching up

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actually there are a lot of pages
i'll prob do a quick skim instead

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prob a good idea

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am busy today, will post later

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i really need to read up now

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i haven't fully read up but i think that it's possible ceph invented a role for this game so i guess shello could be trueclaiming.
another thing would be that i don't think scum would fakeclaim something like that. it's too out there.

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would y'all like it if i post a reads list or something?

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i still haven't read half the game so my reads would be mainly based on

what i've read in the hood

and

interactions

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town

spiffeh
marci/luke/std
dann
sunflower
wolfbae
shello
firebringer
[rest of playerlist]
cakez
morph
gypyx

nullscum

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town

spiffeh
marci/luke/std
dann
sunflower
wolfbae
shello
firebringer
[rest of playerlist]
cakez
morph
gypyx

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Why are you suspicious of morph? I tried to ask you this and never got an answer.

sorry for not answering in the hood. (i've been busy and i most likely missed it by mistake in my skimthroughs)
for my morph read, it's mostly because of what marci/sunflower was saying in hood (about morph-brian interactions).
p-edit: i mean, i could be wrong on you/sunflower but i'm moreso leaning towards our hood being all-town.

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dann

why am i so town?

mostly because i liked your iso and half of everybody is nullish for me.
(marci, i think, asked the same thing.)

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Why do you think the hood is all town

mostly vibes ngl

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That's fair but like can you justify it with the note from the mod in the hood or the way we seem to be inspired by dethy?

i missed the note.
my bad.

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i'm definitely reading somebody in our hood then.
(probably one of sunflower/wolfbae/marci)

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Wolfbae seems pretty convinced this is typical of experiences mains scumgame but something something alt something hard to use meta for something

this.
(i've been meaning to point this out but you put it in better words than i would've.)

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town

spiffeh
marci/luke/std
dann
sunflower
wolfbae
shello
firebringer
[rest of playerlist]
cakez
morph
gypyx

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Why are you suspicious of morph? I tried to ask you this and never got an answer.

sorry for not answering in the hood. (i've been busy and i most likely missed it by mistake in my skimthroughs)
for my morph read, it's mostly because of what marci/sunflower was saying in hood (about morph-brian interactions).
p-edit: i mean, i could be wrong on you/sunflower but i'm moreso leaning towards our hood being all-town.

The site gives you notifications when someone quotes you, I strongly doubt you could have missed that

that's true.
though only the top 5 notifications show up, unless you go through and look for past notifications.
i will accept responsibility tho for not going through to make sure i didn't miss any.

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town

spiffeh

marci

/luke/

std

dann

sunflower

wolfbae

shello
firebringer
[rest of playerlist]
cakez
morph
gypyx

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i'm definitely reading somebody in our hood then.
(probably one of sunflower/wolfbae/marci)

You've got marci and save the dragons on the same 'tier' in strength of reads.

When faced with one of your hoodmates being mafia, you decided marci was a contender but save the dragons was not.

Why?

because std was the one to point out the note in the hood when as mafia, he didn't have to.

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i think that i'm starting to feel paranoid about luke now.

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his interactions with wolfbae has left me feeling better about wolfbae and worse about him.

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Why are they on the same level as marci in your reads, then?

And why does that make Save the Dragons town?

oops. i was trying to multitask and forgot to reply to this.
they were on the same level, because of interactions in our hood.
for why i think std is town, i would say it would be both for reminding me about the mod note and for hood interactions.

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Why are they on the same level as marci in your reads, then?

And why does that make Save the Dragons town?

oops. i was trying to multitask and forgot to reply to this.
they were on the same level, because of interactions in our hood.
for why i think std is town, i would say it would be both for reminding me about the mod note and for hood interactions.

Which pages of the game thread have you read?

for the main thread, it'd be dann's iso, a lot of the recent posts, and of course, a skim-through of the isos of the people in the hood.

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I have personal experience of them doing a "lay the ground work play" - this is a unique to this user take, they are the kind of person who thinks about the game in the long term.

For reference:

Spoiler:

I had a game against scum them, they repped into that one to.

When they started the game, the first thing that they did was announce that they started by reading my iso, and that they were starting out suspicious of me. But then fairly quickly backed down from that read, never to be spoken of again for the remainder of the game.

I found out in the post game, that that was a pre-planned entry maneuver, specifically laying the ground work so that if they needed to sway my read (and only my read) of them in like 3-5 game days, they could prompt me to ask my self "why did they start with my iso right away?"

Because they wanted to be able to guide me to the answer that Town!them would start with my iso, but scum!them would not. The reason being that in our prior game they thought I was so incredibly obviously town, that town!them would start there hoping for an easy read, while scum!them would not want to start with me because they would have assumed that I was town telling already based on that prior game.

That groundwork did not even play out, but they actively, intentionally laid it *just in case*

So yeah, I think they are a uniquely long term thinking scum player.

luke, would you say that meta pertaining to who you suspect wolfbae is, is influencing your read on him?

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luke, would you say that meta pertaining to who you suspect wolfbae is, is influencing your read on him?

Yes. Their identity is central to my suspicions of how they are approaching me.

i see. i think have a suspicion as to who you might think wolfbae is now.

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tho I would probably say that as with people using my main's meta against me, i don't think using their identity is exactly a good idea.

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on the other hand, i feel slightly better about you (given i've seen you do something similar as town) that maybe you can go in my nulltown pile.

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also, i got a paetop

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on the other hand, i feel slightly better about you (given i've seen you do something similar as town) that maybe you can go in my nulltown pile.

What was your read on Lukewarm before?

it was town before his interactions with wolfbae, which dropped him to nullscum (because paranoia), but his latest post makes me feel like this could be like his townplay in micro 1091, so i'm putting him as nulltown now. tho he's a good enough scum player, that i won't put him back to where he was originally.

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wouldn't that be mean? (i'm assuming they'd prefer keeping the anonymity up)

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Wolfbae literally said in hood that it isnt really a secret

that's true.
i'm going to bed now.
it's past midnight for me.

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EEH GUYS IS IT OKAY IF I SAY WHO WOLFBAE IS IM

if it helps explain your read on wolfbae, maybe.
but otherwise, i would say no.

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out of curiosity, which cat?

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i mean what cat?

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i see.

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Didnt you say you needed to go to bed why are you still up

insomnia combined with a failing attempt at analysing and a tree.

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do y'all want me to claim before i head to bed (for real this time)?

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not that i think it'll change anything.

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do y'all want me to claim before i head to bed (for real this time)?

I mean, sure, go ahead

i'm an inventor of cops of unknown reliability neighbor.
i targeted marci n1.

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Isn't that everyones role in the dethy

i have no clue.

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mechanically why do we not want to resolve the dethy hood first today

Especially with controversial slots like wolfbae/sunflower

why specifically wolfbae/sunflower?

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Isn't that everyones role in the dethy

i have no clue.

aintnoway that's a real thought experience is having

it is.

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tho really, maybe "i forgot" would've been less of a lie

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actually, that would be a bigger lie.

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i probably should've just said that i had a brainfart and i needed to reread the hood to check.
p-edit: they didn't claim cop inventors, in my defense.

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as in the post that i quoted that i think std brought up was on who to give inventions to.
it was not on how we all have the same role.
(at least not from memory)

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i doublechecked and std didn't mention we all had the same role until later (in a post that i hadn't read until now).

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it is noteworthy tho that it was dan who had brought up that sunflower could have the same role.

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what did you think "our inventor shots" meant

inventors shots in general? (as in not specifically cop)
i was under the impression that sunflower had the same role, opposed all of us.
p-edit: i missed a massive chunk after wolfbae repped in.

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p-edit is directed to morph btw

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You provided a list of names for who in the neighborhood should target which player, correct? How did you decide where the inventors whose role you didn't know would go?

we only chose our own targets.
then, std put them together and removed duplicates to ensure we won't target the same person.
i had my group down as dann, luke, marci and std.
but that was made without consideration for the roles of the others.

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also how many pages is it?

I mean it sounds like experience isn't even reading all that's been posted in the hood since he replaced in.

let me check.
(it was during the night.)

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also how many pages is it?

I mean it sounds like experience isn't even reading all that's been posted in the hood since he replaced in.

let me check.
(it was during the night.)

i checked; it was probably around 5.

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question to the inventor hood. Did anyone mention you were all inventor cops in the hood prior to finalizing the pool lists?

my predecessor dan brought up

sunflower

could be cop inventor.
i can doublecheck if somebody else did.

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but yeah, sunflower being cop inventor was something that was in my mind.
(just not the rest of the hood.)

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question to the inventor hood. Did anyone mention you were all inventor cops in the hood prior to finalizing the pool lists?

marci did mention it.
not sure how i forgot about that.

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agree, and I'm pretty annoyed atm.

I'll stop thinking really bad things about the hood not helping you get up to speed.

I'm pretty wtf.

was this directed at me?

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yes.

i see.

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I demand a cop-vention tonight.

I want to be involved in the fun thing, and unlike *seemingly every single person who got one last night* I can use the damn thing lol

tbh you're probably going to be somebody who i'll consider giving an invention to.

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Speaking of which, consider my vote on experience (not sure where the VC is currently so not voting just in case). I don’t care to entertain a world where town!experience acknowledges a post in the neighborhood with cop invention targets for everyone but still doesn’t realize that everyone in there has the same role. If he wasn’t reading, would he not question how anyone knew he was an inventor in the first place? Or wonder why EVERYONE had a list for their invention target in the hood? I think he was in a vulnerable position trying to dumbtell for easy town points and it backfired tremendously.

this feels like a gross mischaracterisation of events.
we all knew we were inventors because it was in the name of the hood.
what was

not

in the hood was that we were all

cop

inventors.
it's really getting on my nerves here that today so many people are misinterpreting (hopefully not in bad faith) me having a brainfart and not realising that we weren't just all inventors but

specifically

cop

inventors.

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Ok to be fair I did forget about the neighborhood being named something that would indicate they were all inventors.

Experience, any thoughts about Gypyx’s recent posts? Is she still your strongest scum read?

i have no idea anymore about her alignment.
her posts seem to like it's possible for her to post as either alignment.

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as in her latest posts

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i do agree with you tho that gypyx not knowing hc is a mason, isn't a really a townslip.

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Also do you think it’s unreasonable for people to not be buying your explanation here?

Assuming you’re Town, do you feel anyone on your wagon is specifically capitalizing on your mistake to push your mis-elimination?

PEdit: @Experience

i mean, it's reasonable people doubt my explanation but not when they're misconstruing my posts and then proceeding to use that as the crux of their case. (like, sure, go ahead and say 'i don't trust experience' but it's annoying when it's like 'experience not knowing that the hood inventors were all the same = experience must be scum dumbtelling')
as for who i think are capitalising on my mistake, i'm not really sure. at this point, it seems like my wagon has either way-too-confbiased hero wannnabes or scum who know they can get away with voting me because they can hide behind the former.
the one thing tho is that really, i can't the difference so i'd be lying if i told you i could.

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(oh i got a pagetop again)

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Also i wanna throw spiffeh into the sun even more for his recent posting

why?
i'm kinda curious tbh because arguably i feel like spiffeh's posting (after our exchange) feel neutralish.

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i mean, it's reasonable people doubt my explanation but not when they're misconstruing my posts and then proceeding to use that as the crux of their case. (like, sure, go ahead and say 'i don't trust experience' but it's annoying when it's like 'experience not knowing that the hood inventors were all the same = experience must be scum dumbtelling')

Dude, I'm sorry, but the "oops all cop inventors" nature of your hood was such a big topic of the Day 1, repeatedly coming up over and over spread through out the day, both before and after you repped in, that for you to have literally never seen it means that you read so little of this game that it is truly negligent levels of not even trying (as either alignment) for you to not have seen it.

Saying it must be you dumb telling as scum is, in my opinion, the nicer assumption about your play this game (you are purposefully doing a silly strat to try to save yourself vs you simply don't give a shit).

that's fair i guess.

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tho now that you say that, i think everybody will be pissed at me after my flip.
p-edit: @luke

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i have school in a few hours so i'm going to sleep now.

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My experience experience is that he used to effort as both alignments, and the writing style of that post was more standard. I actually lost a game in elo to scum!experience (as the deciding voter)

I also had a game where I incorrectly scum read him for lack of analysis, and his response was that I was using "old meta" on him. (I do think that this game is even more egregious ftr)

I don't know where his wim has gone. I actually hate that I can see this coming from town him now that I know who he is. I still lean scum, but I will be shaking my head in disappointment, not shock, if he flip green

i still effort as both alignments, just when i actually have a good grasp of the game.
and this game isn't one.
on the other hand, it's been a long time since i've had a game which i feel like i actually had a good grasp of. which might be due to me no longer having the time that i had in the past during my zenith

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but i'll try putting more time aside for this game if it helps everybody read me
(tho i feel like a lot of people will be disappointed in my flip)

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i also need to stop signing up for large themes

me too.