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Post #3869 (isolation #200) » Thu May 09, 2024 12:11 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 3846, wolfbae wrote:
So morph got a report on Shello as evil? Do we know if there can be a role like Enchanter in the game that makes goods appear as evil?
On this site it would be called lawyer but it is a very rare role to see. Usually you would not ever think about this role being in the game, really.
In this specific game... it could exist; just because the cop sanities from your hood already bring an expectation of this kind of chaos, and this further messes with it.
For morph in particular it is likely that they are not a cop but a different investigative which can get guilties on mafia but can also be tripped up by power roles that town can have as well; it this case a lawyer-type role is pretty much never in effect and instead each role has it's own way of producing false results
For instance a gunsmith gets results on mafia, but also on cops (guns in flavor), vigilante's (which shello is claiming), but not mafia doctors
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Post #3899 (isolation #202) » Thu May 09, 2024 1:15 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
So clarification. Yesterday we delayed voting in the dethy and I believe the reasoning was so we would have more information to work with today. And today we are not using any of that information.
In post 3958, wolfbae wrote:
I asked because you literally didn't explain what you meant at first. Now that you did I see you are still wrong but at least I understand why you are saying that stuff. I don't know what to tell you except I asked to make sure we did not kill someone who is good for a bad reason
and then blame someone else who is also good.
I thought you were scumreading us?
That post was pure gimmick with very little real thought behind it
I had you as suspect but the entire hood seemingly being against you made me cautious and I felt like probing your thoughts today to get a better feel for you. Right now I rate you as not a concern though I've not read most of your messages. I thought the way you handled the neighborhood Day 1 was startlingly bad process and my instinct was Klick vs Sunflower was TvT and scum were looking to take advantage of it. However, given the speculation the scum in the inventor neighborhood might be a traitor, I'm not even sure this is telling given that scum would likely have uninformed reads on the group.
shame my cover got blown because I was going to pretend to not know what hydras were and freak out about two people playing on the same account being legal.
FWIW - jupiter had messages in the neighborhood about being behind on the main thread and finding it annoying to keep up with. I have no idea what this means for their alignment. My instinct still was that fire really believed what they were coming after Klick with but I'll hear Spiffeh out on whatever his case is.
So what made you suspect Morph in the first place?
Who's in your hood again? You/Bingle/Cakeboi/Fire/Dunn/X?
spiffeh
Oh, right. I mean, Spiffeh absolutely bodied Brian Day 1 so I wouldn't re-evaluate that read for a very long time, he presumably dies well before you need to consider if he hard bussed. I had Hermit and Bingle as town overnight before the claim (other inventors can verify).
As of last night I was most suspicious of Dunn, although there were points against both Cakez and Fire and I'd only loosely skimmed. I probably need to re-evaluate given recent data. If you held a gun to my head and forced me to give an answer I'd say Dunn still but only because the way Cakez reacted to me gives me little gut feelies of him being town. FB is, well, I mostly liked him biting back at Shello with the wagon on him.
I honestly do really want to know the alignment of Cakez, though, honestly, because I think being sure of that means we have useful data on the wagons Day 1. If it was scum/scum then this is probably an easy game and the scum are relatively low influence. If Cakez is town you can look at who was trying to drive a kill on him while ignoring or minimizing Brian.
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Post #4105 (isolation #210) » Thu May 09, 2024 6:13 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4103, wolfbae wrote:
I think his play is aimed at not makig waves but doesn't truly show scumhunting intent.
This is super vague and untrue.
In post 4103, wolfbae wrote:
The vote on Brian was quite weak and can easily be a bus (statistically in large games scum bus far more often than not on Day 1 scum elims).
Can you explain how my vote is different from Spiffeh, morph, or marci's vote?
I voted for Brian because their vote on SirCakez was super lazy and didn't really make sense from town, plus they were a nonentity in discussions but still present. How is that weak?
In post 3623, Gypyx wrote:
Yeah i think we should absolutely keep scrutiny on cakez, or maybe Bingle? my ego tells me bingle was somewhat threatened
will wait before voting to let everyone pop in
Can you go into more detail on why you think this
there was a lot of people asking for a bingle case and all, if Brian wasn't so obvious scum and other options could've been brought to consideration, i fully belive bingle could've been a wagon
I want to know why you think we should be pressuring Sircakez and Bingle, I meant.
Also the asking for a Bingle case was more directed at Firebringer.
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Post #4199 (isolation #221) » Fri May 10, 2024 3:47 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4198, Shello and Goodbye wrote:
It's a little annoying that people are using what's happening in the hood to townread him and then not really explain, but talking abt it like it's common knowledge here
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Post #4208 (isolation #225) » Fri May 10, 2024 3:53 am
Postby Dunnstral »
And Firebringer didn't claim anything out here.
So this part of their post:
In post 4185, wolfbae wrote:
Well, if one of your scumreads is firebringer, you're dead wrong given how blatantly he was towntelling last night - think the string of posts + the claim is just, like, always town here.
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Post #4220 (isolation #228) » Fri May 10, 2024 4:09 am
Postby Dunnstral »
Yeah but I wasn't asking about the string of posts.
To me it looks like you were referring to Firebringer's claim in our hood was towny when that is knowledge you should not be privy to.
And quoting 3747 is just barely passable but I wouldn't call that "the claim".
My thought is that you mixed up what parts are public knowledge, but all Firebringer said was that they wouldn't discuss their claim.
Also this is super nitpicky, but:
Spoiler: you've been warned
If the claim happened first, and the strong of posts happened second, I would refer to it as "the claim + the string of posts", not "the string of posts + the claim"
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Post #4456 (isolation #238) » Fri May 10, 2024 3:10 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4406, Save The Dragons wrote:
That's fair but like can you justify it with the note from the mod in the hood or the way we seem to be inspired by dethy?
This is the post experience is talking about.
Speaking of, why does this make Save The Dragons town? At this point the dethy is common knowledge so pointing that out does not seem towny to me.
In post 4457, morph the cat wrote:
If anything it's the opposite. Why would you want to warn a player about that? I would want to get all the extra data out of it that I possibly could before they realized themselves because that timing is also alignment indicative.
R u 4 real
I dunno how I'm supposed to have a conversation about the gamestat3 if I'm waiting for experience to never read a post
This is not meant as shade on you, just trying to understand how experience is forming a read on you from small snippets of posting. For me at least.
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Post #4476 (isolation #240) » Fri May 10, 2024 9:32 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 4474, experience wrote:
on the other hand, i feel slightly better about you (given i've seen you do something similar as town) that maybe you can go in my nulltown pile.
In post 4621, Gypyx wrote:
this does not read like enthusiatic town happy that they've caught a scum, this is just someone who's out for blood
What's the difference?
difference lies in how hard the push happens? Like, you do not just put that and mic drop? especially when the thread starts talking about other things, wolfbae is using very strong words about me while have a pretty weak push in effect
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Post #4649 (isolation #252) » Sat May 11, 2024 9:41 am
Postby Dunnstral »
I'm not asking you to scumread HC. I want to know why you are coming to the conclusions you are coming to, to see if they are real thoughts. I am wondering how you are townreading that HC post.
I am more suspicious of experience now as I find it unlikely they navigated through being directed where to use their role without knowing what was happening