Otters vs. Tigers vs. Sharks - GAME OVER
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Congrats to DGB and Quilford, who were formerly "so town."-
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You died because two tigers killed you at once.
You'll understand when I post the PMs. Tigers had a special joint ability.-
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I wonder why Muffin fakeclaimed miller....-
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Vi Professor Paragon
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After that happening in the thread, by the way, Trumpet of Doom posted this in the Dead QT:
I'm starting to see the utility in having a disclaimer that says something like, "This game is not obligated to make sense until it is over."
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Credit for the uneven Bulletproof multiscum idea goes to Ether. We were talking about it, and she said she had always wanted to design a game that way but probably never would. I asked if I could use the idea, and the idea for the set-up was born!-
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Well, that explains the "no crosskills" comment.-
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Vi Professor Paragon
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Might I suggest not doing it again? for the reason listed below--In post 281, Amrun wrote:Credit for the uneven Bulletproof multiscum idea goes to Ether. We were talking about it, and she said she had always wanted to design a game that way but probably never would. I asked if I could use the idea, and the idea for the set-up was born!
Talking of which, you basically required Town to lynch three scum at minimum, with more more likely. This game ended after six game Dayswith three scum lynched, two of which basicallyaskedfor it. When I said Town had no chance, I -meant- Town had no chance.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Spoiler: Shark Role PMsLast edited by Amrun on Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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Guy_Named_Riggs Mafia Scum
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In post 283, Vi wrote:
Might I suggest not doing it again? for the reason listed below--In post 281, Amrun wrote:Credit for the uneven Bulletproof multiscum idea goes to Ether. We were talking about it, and she said she had always wanted to design a game that way but probably never would. I asked if I could use the idea, and the idea for the set-up was born!
Talking of which, you basically required Town to lynch three scum at minimum, with more more likely. This game ended after six game Dayswith three scum lynched,two of which basically. When I said Town had no chance, I -meant- Town had no chance.askedfor it
Looks like Penn and Teller were at it again...-
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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In post 283, Vi wrote:
Might I suggest not doing it again? for the reason listed below--In post 281, Amrun wrote:Credit for the uneven Bulletproof multiscum idea goes to Ether. We were talking about it, and she said she had always wanted to design a game that way but probably never would. I asked if I could use the idea, and the idea for the set-up was born!
Talking of which, you basically required Town to lynch three scum at minimum, with more more likely. This game ended after six game Dayswith three scum lynched, two of which basicallyaskedfor it. When I said Town had no chance, I -meant- Town had no chance.
It was certainly an experiment in balance, but I think town had a lot of compensating power - and I do mean a lot. Scum got very, very lucky in its NKs.
You are also neglecting the fact that tigers could kill sharks, and that there were several town-originating kills that could kill tigers.
Perhaps a few more VTs would have helped. I considered starting at 26. I was worried about the game filling, but slots went like hot cakes, so I shouldn't have been.
I wanted to do something VERY DIFFERENT, and I succeeded. I do want to talk about the failings and the good parts of this set-up, once I post the role PMs.-
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The Jungle, Tiger Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/Tggkei7sZxDg
The Thinktank, Shark Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/eYVUSMnt4Xgeg
Significant Otters, Holding Hands Mason QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/3eNeKGvMEQ7K
OvTvS Spectator and Dead QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/YWKy95xrg5P
Set-Up Overview:
(3/25) Tiger Mafia Goons
(4/25) 1 Shark Mafia Goon, 1 Framer, 1 Role Cop, 1 Weak Goon
Town (18/25)
x9 VT
x2 Mason Lover 1-Shot Matchmaker
Tiger Doctor
Shark Cop
Fisherman
1-Shot Psychiatrist
RB
Poisoner
1-Shot Coroner and DNA Analyst
Role Assignments:
1. Guy_Named_Riggs - Sumatran Tiger, Mafia Goon
2. implosion - Police Ottficer, Shark Cop
3. Nobody Special - VT
4. SleepyKrew - Significant Otter, Mason Lover and 1-Shot Shared Matchmaker
5. Pine - VT
6. Yosarian2 - Gourmotter, Poisoner
7. redFF - Bull Shark, Mafia Goon
8. chesskidsgirl - Whale Shark, Weak Mafia Goon
9. RedCoyote* - VT
10. DrippingGoofball - South China Tiger, Mafia Goon
11. Umbrage - VT
12. Fate - Sandbar Shark, Mafia Framer
13. kdowns - Significant Otter, Mason Lover and 1-Shot Shared Matchmaker
14. zMuffinMan - Dr. Otter, Tiger Doctor
15. Iecerint - Confidotter, Fisherman
16. projectmatt - VT
17. MrBuddyLee - Otterly Distracting, Roleblocker
18. Om of the Nom - Psychottergist, 1-Shot Psychiatrist
19. Matias - Indochinese Tiger, Mafia Goon
20. Nocmen - VT
21. Sundy - VT
22. Rylai Crestfall - VT
23. Elmo TeH AzN - Crime Scene Investigotter, 1-Shots Coroner and DNA Analyst
24. BBmolla - VT
25. David Xanatos - Tiger Shark, Mafia Role Cop-
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Actions:
Confirmation Stage Actions(Only 1 Possible)
Iecerint searches for Bulletproof Vest, receives Boot (Result: Unsuccessful)
Night 1 Actions
Town:
Iecerint searches for Bulletproof Vest, receives Bulletproof Vest (Result: Successful)
zMuffinMan protects Vi (Result: Successful)
implosion investigates Iecerint (Result: Innocent)
Yosarian2 offers kdowns a Sea Bass (Result: Successfully poisons kdowns with ciguatera)
Magister Ludi and kdowns test compatibility for Yosarian2 and MrBuddyLee (Result: Compatible)
MrBuddyLee blocks Nocmen (Result: Successful)
Sharks:
Fate frames DGB (Result: Successful)
David Xanatos senses Yosarian2 (Result: Gourmotter - Poisoner - Town)
redFF kills hohum (Result: Successful)
Tigers:
DGB kills no one
Quilford kills zMuffinMan (Result: Successful, but kill flips)
Night 2 Actions
Town:
Iecerint searches for Video Camera, Receives Video Camera (Result: Successful, Granted 1-Shot Watch)
Iecerint watches Fate (Result: No one visits Fate.)
implosion investigates Pine (Result: Innocent)
Yosarian2 offers implosion a mackerel (Result: Successfully poisons implosion with scombroid poisoning)
MrBuddyLee blocks kdowns (Result: Successful)
Tigers:
DGB kills Umbrage (Result: Successful, Janitored)
Quilford kills Umbrage (Result: Successful, Janitored)
Sharks:
RedFF kills Yosarian2 (Result: Successful)
Fate frames Quilford (Result: Successful)
David Xanatos senses Magister Ludi (Result: Significant Otter - Mason Lover and 1-Shot Shared Matchmaker - Town)
Night 3 Actions
Town:
Iecerint searches for Tracking Guidebook, receives Balloons (Result: Unsuccessful)
MrBuddyLee blocks Nocmen (Result: Successful)
Elmo TeH AzN uses Test 1 on Umbrage (Result: Otterly Adorable)
Tigers:
DGB kills Elmo Teh AzN (Result: Successful, but kill flips)
Quilford kills no one
Sharks:
redFF kills MrBuddyLee (Result: Successful)
David Xanatos senses Iecerint (Result: Confidotter - Fisherman - Town)
Night 4 Actions
Town:
Iecerint searches for Tracking Guidebook, receives Tracking Guidebook (Result: Successful)
Iecerint tracks David Xanatos (Result: David Xanatos visits RedCoyote)
Tigers:
DGB kills projectmatt (Result: Successful, but kill flips)
Quilford kills no one
Sharks:
redFF kills Pine (Result: Successful)
David Xanatos senses RedCoyote (Result: Otterly Adorable - Town)
Night 5 Actions
Town:
Iecerint searches for Gun, receives Boot. (Result: Unsuccessful)
Tigers:
DGB kills David Xanatos (Result: Successful, but kill flips)
Quilford kills no one
Sharks:
David Xanatos senses DrippingGoofball (Result: South China Tiger, Mafia Goon)
redFF kills BBmolla
Night 6 Actions
Town:
Iecereint searches for Gun, receives Gun. (Result: Successful)
Iecerint shoots camn. (Result: Successful)
Tigers:
DGB kills Iecerint (Result: Unsuccessful due to BP vest, not janitored)
Quilford kills Iecerint (Result: Successful, unjanitored)
Sharks:
redFF kills Quilford (Result: Unsuccessful due to being tiger)-
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Flavor for night action results:
Spoiler: Iecerint's Fisherman Results
Spoiler: David Xanatos' Role Cop Results
Spoiler: implosions' Cop Results
Spoiler: Elmo's Test Results
Spoiler: Lovers' Results-
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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In post 291, Nocmen wrote:Thanks for the invite to the Dead QT :p
Did I not send one to you? D: I'm sorry!! I was all out of sorts when I posted that flip.-
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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Here are all the asked-for fakeclaims that were not lost in the crash. I'm not redoing the ones that were, if there were any, though I THINK I have them all. Just for reference, if you want. Some of them got cheeky, asking for about 10 at once!
Spoiler: Shark fakeclaims
Spoiler: Tiger fakeclaims-
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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This set-up was so fun to see play out. I loved how neither of the scumteams ever correctly predicted the set-up, not once, until DGB on the very last night.
As I said before, I think if I ran it again, I would add a couple of more VTs.
The tigers didn't use their power as I expected them to; they discounted the value of the janitor. But I thought they would use it to target power roles and give themselves rock solid roleclaims, which I saw as really useful. Or, I thought they would go for sharks and try to obscure it to leave the town chasing their tails, but they actively chose not to do that.
The tigers got really discouraged because they didn't know they were BP to sharks - but I had anticipated that they would assume the set-up was reasonably balanced.
Though perhaps scum vs. town wasn't as balanced as it would be optimally, I DO think the scumteams were pretty balanced between each other.
Thoughts?
Was the game enjoyable? Balanced? Tips for the future?
Anything I should improve with my modding for the future?
Thanks so much for playing, everyone, and especially those who stuck with it after the crash!
Another round of applause for Feysal, as well, who gave us our archive.-
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SHIT! Sorry for the loss, town.. I take 55% of responsibility. The rest I lay on Nocmen and Umbrage for being so scummy. (can you believe Umbrage was town???!)
For the record.. I was rather suspicious of DGB.. but I meant it every time when I said that her game was incredible. From what I read- it really was a classic great DGB game.. and she deserves the win.
I didn't have enough conviction of her as scum to go for the lynch... and I cant think of ANY argument that would have swayed me. She was that good.
Also- good work RedFF at staying alive! That was a pretty bold fake claim!
@ Amrun- thanks for modding- and for taking me in as a replacement..
I liked the asymmetry of the setup- a LOT. 4 vs 3?! awesome. I love screwing with setups, and it clearly WAS balanced, scumteam wise.. since the smaller team prevailed! LOVED IT... otoh..
I HATED the Janitor thing. The uncertainty of a flip made me nuts. Was Umbrage a VT? A SK? A Tiger? It made me nuts. HATED IT.
Again- sorry for losing that game! But I had to go with SOMETHING.. and that was all I had.
and.. let it be known.. I count this as a N1 Nightkill... adding it to my massive list of N1 nightkills"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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BBmolla Open Book
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SHit.. I Just realized I got vigged ...
Why would you vig me after backing my vote on Nocmen? You might as well self-vig...
PS: Molla- I am not taking it badly... I replaced in late and didnt even have the whole thread to read!
But the fact is, I could have steered the lynch onto ANYONE.. and I chose wrong.
(so many sad faces!)"if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2
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