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Post Post #2350  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:49 pm

I mean i dont have enough cares yet to blaze my own trail
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Post Post #2351  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:49 pm

In post 2133, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:BUT who are the people that usually post in all smalls?
A scumteam this game would have to be utter morons to be using their normal posting style in the mafia PT. So don't expect that to be useful. Other things are going to be more reliable indicators.

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Post Post #2352  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:56 pm

In post 2238, RedCoyote wrote:I can roll with UT, but why aren't you interested in SS?
Because scum(reads) keep trying to direct me there.

And I'm just like.
lolno.

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Post Post #2353  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:59 pm

At page 100 I'll literally lynch anyone
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Post Post #2354  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:00 pm

Was gonna save this 'til I caught up, but now's as good a time as any:
Ser Arthur Dayne
Cephrir
Cheetory
Nukebringer

Spiffeh
Reck
MoI
Accountant

Vaxkiller
Fate
GreyICE
Something_smart
Errantparabola
McMenno
GiF
hiplop

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Post Post #2355  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:02 pm

In post 2352, mastina wrote:Because scum(reads) keep trying to direct me there.

And I'm just like.
lolno.

What are your thoughts of Something_Smart independent of the people pushing that case?
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Post Post #2356  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:07 pm

^For the record: you can put a divide between Something_smart and Errantparabola.
Something_smart and above are on the town side of null.
Errantparabola and below are south of null.
McMenno, GiF, and hiplop are still nulls, just scummy nulls for a few select reasons.
Something_smart, GreyICE, Fate, and Vaxkiller all have reason to be town, but not quite enough where they'd appear in the above list.

Spiffeh, Reck, MoI, and Accountant are all townreads, but not quite enough strength behind them thanks to some doubts which keep them from being promoted.
It's not like SAD, Cephrir, Cheetory, or Nukebriker are squeaky clean, but the only doubts I have on them are FIRMLY paranoia-induced, and very obviously so. In a game of this caliber, they're the closest we've got to clean slated players.

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Post Post #2357  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:08 pm

In post 2253, GreyICE wrote:Like is she off the table for any reason besides no one wants to read her posts?
Yeah.
It's called people actually read my posts. :cool:

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Post Post #2358  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:14 pm

In post 2357, mastina wrote:
In post 2253, GreyICE wrote:Like is she off the table for any reason besides no one wants to read her posts?
Yeah.
It's called people actually read my posts. :cool:


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your posts give me cancer, go fuck yourself.
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Post Post #2359  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:17 pm

I dare anyone to go ISO mastin and Control F "LLD"

Then, go read through the 17 results and I defy you, no I mean I seriously DEFY YOU to find anything about post posting, any kind of intent or gut reads or anything.

Mastin has essentially fabricated a scum read on me and just by continuously screaming that she thinks I'm scum, she'd kind of bought a free pass.

Go on, go read. All of you. I'll wait.

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Post Post #2360  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:20 pm

In post 2269, Spiffeh wrote:I really don't get why so many people are scum reading her beyond "you're being bad and useless"
Hint: look at who most of those people are.

By now people have probably figured out more or less what I was doing, but to put things in simplest terms:
I'm not scumreading Accountant, because Accountant's response to me, from what I know of Accountant's personality, read as town. I'm not scumreading Cephrir, because Cephrir's response to me--in spite of him not recognizing what I was doing (normally a red flag)--was otherwise town, because I still saw him legitimately trying to figure out what the hell I was pulling. I'm not scumreading you, because I thought your handling of it was also in line with you as town. Probably others I'm forgetting on here, but you get the idea.
I'm scumreading LLD, UT, RC, Ircher, and Zito in part because of their response to me. Each for different reasons. And each for reasons beyond that (that's far from the only thing).

In other words, psychological profiling.
The people who are scumreading me are either the people who would do so as town because they're naive (see also, Accountant), or are people who are VERY incredibly likely to be scum. (LLD, UT, RC, Zito. Ircher's not scumreading me anymore, but his response was scum anyway. RC may or may not have scumread me, but regardless, he's painting me in a negative light, when no fucking duh, I'm mastina I had a plan.)

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Post Post #2361  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:22 pm

In post 2360, mastina wrote:
In post 2269, Spiffeh wrote:I really don't get why so many people are scum reading her beyond "you're being bad and useless"
Hint: look at who most of those people are.

By now people have probably figured out more or less what I was doing, but to put things in simplest terms:
I'm not scumreading Accountant, because Accountant's response to me, from what I know of Accountant's personality, read as town. I'm not scumreading Cephrir, because Cephrir's response to me--in spite of him not recognizing what I was doing (normally a red flag)--was otherwise town, because I still saw him legitimately trying to figure out what the hell I was pulling. I'm not scumreading you, because I thought your handling of it was also in line with you as town. Probably others I'm forgetting on here, but you get the idea.
I'm scumreading LLD, UT, RC, Ircher, and Zito in part because of their response to me. Each for different reasons. And each for reasons beyond that (that's far from the only thing).

In other words, psychological profiling.
The people who are scumreading me are either the people who would do so as town because they're naive (see also, Accountant), or are people who are VERY incredibly likely to be scum. (LLD, UT, RC, Zito. Ircher's not scumreading me anymore, but his response was scum anyway. RC may or may not have scumread me, but regardless, he's painting me in a negative light, when no fucking duh, I'm mastina I had a plan.)


Oh so they exist?

Where.
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Post Post #2362  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:22 pm

mastins gonna mastin.
"I would prefer not to."

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Post Post #2363  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:23 pm

I'm done laughing at you being a trash can.

It's time to put up or shut up. You're getting a fucking flashlight shined in your fucking face because I'm tired of let you slip through the fucking cracks.
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Post Post #2364  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:24 pm

In post 2271, Spiffeh wrote:What in that post makes you think he's scum?
Theory talk disguised as game content, which was also wishy-washy, largely pointless, and inconsistent. Plus, for someone who is trying to say, "trying to get a lynch he believes to be easy to pull off", Ircher is going after...
...McMenno, who is. Oh yeah. Guess what?

A lynch Ircher believes will be easy to pull off.

It's hypocritical. It's defensive. It's an overly long justification for his actions which basically amounts to not much of anything.

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Post Post #2365  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:27 pm

In post 2362, Cephrir wrote:mastins gonna mastin.


Do you think this kind of perspective is assisting the town in any manner? Y/N
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Post Post #2366  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:28 pm

In post 2277, RedCoyote wrote:A pet peeve of mine is when someone claims without any provocation or reason for doing so.
Sure.

Provocation was absent.
Reason was not.

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Post Post #2367  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:30 pm

could we just get rid of LLD? you don't know how happy that would make me.
Just remove from game, it would be nice. don't even care of her alignment.
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Post Post #2368  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:32 pm

In post 2367, Nukebringer wrote:could we just get rid of LLD? you don't know how happy that would make me.
Just remove from game, it would be nice. don't even care of her alignment.


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Post Post #2369  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:33 pm

In post 2023, Ircher wrote:Also, since McMenno is so keen on lynching less-skilled players and players with a habit of getting lynched as town this game without giving even a shadow of a doubt:

The phrase "scummy != scum" means that just because a player may do things that can be viewed as coming from scum (aka scummy), it doesn't necessarily mean that they are scum.

All those scumtells on the wiki..... They probably work about 10% of the time at best. Why? 1) Scum will actively avoid commiting them because.... they're scumtells 2) Townies, who are less cautious generally, have a tendency of commiting some of them by mistake/without intending to do so/sub-consciously.

Scumtells ONLY WORK if the player in question consistently does them as scum but not as often as town. You have to look at the big picture WHICH INCLUDES the player's meta and playstyle before you start trying to paint a behavior as something only scum would do even when it's quite obvious that town can do it too.

Sheeping is not a scumtell 9/10 times because 1) Town can do it 2) Town who townread a better player than themselves may decide that that player's reads are more likely to be accurate 3) Anyone will start sheeping if they become apathetic 4) It's not a behavior that even benefits scum a lot.
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That said, my McMenno vote was NOT a sheep as I already explained giving THREE reasons for the vote, yet McMenno focused on only ONE on those reasons and claimed my reasons were a COVER-UP because I apparently didn't want to be called out for sheeping.

Some other things people should realize: "Correlation doesn't imply Causation"; just because my vote came soon after Cephrir's vote does not necessarily mean that Cephrir's vote caused me to vote McMenno.

Maybe you didn't like my reasons for my Mc!enno; that's understandable as long as you show that you read them all. But, trying to press my vote as scummy even when 1) There's just as likely, if not moreso, chance that town COULD do something similar and 2) The number of assumptions to make for McMenno's account is more than the number of assumptions made for what I stated in terms of my vote (Occam's Razor) is beyond ridiculous; it's scum behavior.

And I swear, if there were a lyncher in this game, it would DEFINITELY be McMenno with a win condition to try to lynch me; this isn't the first post of McMenno's that is outrageous and ridiculous with the sole intent of getting me lynched WITHOUT proper evidence or even effort to prove such.

It's obvious to me this is scum McMenno trying to get a lynch he believes to be easy to pull off.

VOTE: McMenno

I mean it's pretty telling that he goes onto this rant about universal scumtells being bullshit and then goes after me, supposedly for me going after him, which is an "easy to pull off wagon" in his own words

well you're not a nuclear crater yet

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Post Post #2370  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:34 pm

Can't we lynch Nukebringer today?

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Post Post #2371  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:35 pm

So why am i scum mastin
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Post Post #2372  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:35 pm

In post 2368, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2367, Nukebringer wrote:could we just get rid of LLD? you don't know how happy that would make me.
Just remove from game, it would be nice. don't even care of her alignment.


You're welcome to replace the fuck out.

nah, but you can if you like.
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Post Post #2373  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:36 pm

In post 2371, SpyreX wrote:So why am i scum mastin


WELCOME TO THINGS I JUST ASKED HI SPYREX YOU'RE LATE TO THE PARTY

DON'T WORRY TAKE A NUMBER IT'LL BE AWHILE BEFORE SHE DECIDES TO ANSWER.
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Post Post #2374  (ISO)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:37 pm

In post 2372, Nukebringer wrote:
In post 2368, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2367, Nukebringer wrote:could we just get rid of LLD? you don't know how happy that would make me.
Just remove from game, it would be nice. don't even care of her alignment.


You're welcome to replace the fuck out.

nah, but you can if you like.


I'd llike to remind you that I joined this game prior to you did and so you made the active choice to play with me.

You're also the person with the problem here.

So if you don't like it, leave.

Otherwise, suck it up princess I'm not going anywhere.
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