J-Scope wrote:Incamnito wrote:That aside, A&B, what exactly did youhope to accomplish with that post?
Were you trying to prove that you have read the game?
Because I see a lot of "PBP", and not so much "A".
QFT.
Really? On all the important and/or big posts, I commented on whether I liked the post or not, how I felt about it, and/or if I felt it was scummy.
J-Scope wrote:Apples and Banana wrote:31 - Strawmans my argument about heads vs hydras, and votes me for it, even though he claims to have a "gut scum read" on a RW post. FoS: Pesco Light
Is that really a strawman? He’s saying that you should be able to comment on whatever your other half said, which still allows the other half to enter in later and comment in their own words.
It sounded like you were originally trying to avoid having to make any acknowledgement for something your other half said. Scum would love to be able to get away with that; putting all the scumtells on one half but trying to keep the other respectable and the one you vote for or not.
If someone replaces into a game, they usually cannot explain their predecessor's behaviour, and they're not expected to. After all, they may have the same role, but no one can be expected to explain why someone else said or did something.
Why is it any different in this game? Why should one person be expected to explain why another said/did something, just because they share the same role? Especially if people want the heads to be indifferentiable, in which case the options for the head that isn't being questioned are to not post, or to completely ignore the question.
J-Scope wrote:Apples and Banana wrote:68 - Explains that he thinks wasting posts isn't scummy, and that Scum actually probably won't do it...WHAT? I think he knows exactly if the Scum are or aren't wasting posts.
Do you have a different theory?
Well, I think its silly to say that we should look for Scum in the people NOT wasting posts, since that goes directly against what would serve them best. People who waste posts in this game are pseudo-equivalent to lurkers in a normal game - sure, they're not all Scum, but lurking is scummy.
Raging Wishbone wrote:Apples, seriously, that was totally worthless. Claim or die please.
Really? And yet there's absolutely no reasons you can give to support that theory? So no, I'm not going to claim.
Ortohoops wrote:I've already explained my stance on the value of posts. We're not even 5 pages into the game and we almost have a lynch - the town should hypothetically be aiming for 2-3 lynches per action phase, and we should be able to do it comfortably.
Are you implying that I'm good as lynched? As I'm sure you know, not all wagons lead to a lynch, especially if it was a lurker lynch more than anything else. Or maybe you submitted a kill, and are just waiting for it to go through?
Ortohoops wrote:Lets make a safe presumption and say we only lynch twice before page 13 - scum have had their kill, and the Sk/vig has one too. We're down to 10 players, and the next phase still has 10 pages, where we should easily be able to lynch 2-3 players again with more information in the game. I really think we don't need to be so hasty, and certainly don't think the basis of cases should be determined by their signal:noise ratio, unless it's substancial.
That's true. But without the wasted posts, maybe we could lynch 3-4 times. What you're saying is like me saying, in a normal game, "We have 6 weeks to lynch someone, so the people that only post once a week still give us enough information to lynch someone by the end of the day. I think Scum are the ones posting a lot."
Ortohoops wrote:Now, addressing your post more specifically; every time you generate suspicion on someone, you're basing it on the thought that scum are more likely to do x than town.
Congratulations, you just DEFINED a scumtell.
Ortohoops wrote:The way you come to the conclusion I'm scum, is on the basis of this logic. It's simple - I think scum are more likely to avoid fluff posting early on, and take the opposite stance.
But posting fluff early on DIRECTLY helps them win.
Ortohoops wrote:It's an easy way to force suspicion on players - they're preying on the paranoia of the town. I don't think scum would be stupid enough to come in and make fluff posts to start the game. Why would they want the early attention when they don't even know how hasty the town is going to be with post wasting? It's a stupid risk to jump in the limelight like that, and it's even stupider to not be aware that fluff posts would put them under pressure.
Do you also think that Scum wouldn't lurk in a normal game, for those same reasons?
Ortohoops wrote:This is why I think scum would take the stance of jumping on
anything
that could be interpretted as a slight waste.
Which I'm not doing, if that's what you're implying.
