You clearly do since I haven't once done so.
In post 296, frog wrote:[/b]
I referenced this in the post you just quoted. Why not engage, rather than saying 'not me'?
Because the purpose of that post had nothing to do with me 'questioning the basis of the Frog wagon,' which you claimed, but instead me engaging Hiraki (who has ignored me despite me patiently waiting for his reply).
In post 296, frog wrote: In post 268, frog wrote:and then attacked the notion that people were sheeping Ali
Once again, if it were as simple as people 'sheeping Ali,' then why have people only 'sheeped Ali' onto you instead of joining him on the EP wagon? So clearly, people are not 'sheeping Ali,' or at least, that's not all there is to it. Wis may have done so, but then again, Wis shouldn't be in anyone's townpile, and neither should Ali. But some of you are townreading them anyway because...?
Another person that shouldn't just be casually written off as town is Wheme, but I have little to no interest in explaining it to you, so you can sort that out yourself.
Your interpretation of the sheeping is disingenuous, and you know it. People don't have to sheep Ali all game for it to class as sheeping; you can do it once, which is what went on here.
Just because Ali said he would vote Frog doesn't mean he was the one leading the wagon or that anyone was sheeping him onto the wagon (other than maybe Wis, who outright claimed he was doing so). The people who joined the wagon either thought you were a good wagon (for any number of reasons) or had some other reason to vote you, otherwise the EP wagon would've been sufficient for these people to just 'sheep Ali.' Instead of thinking about what these motivations could be, you're just sitting there going 'oh, people must have voted me just because Ali said so' even though the gamestate says otherwise.
How about you use your headspace instead of making overgeneralized comments that are clearly false?
In post 296, frog wrote:And hello, I've been carping on about how WhemeStar can't be written off for quite some time now? I explained my read on him, once again, in the very post you quote. You're preaching to the choir here.
In post 268, frog wrote:For my part, I'm leaning town on WhemeStar, not so much based on what he was claiming as the manner in which he claimed it. He seemed remarkably unselfconscious about his role, strange as it is, and although he hopped around a little on the extent to which he would claim, and suggested he had abilities he ultimately did not claim, throughout the process he was completely transparent.
You also said the above, which is what I was responding to. Do you think before you speak?
In post 296, frog wrote:Reading along and paying attention would be a good start towards changing this
I probably need to reread this game at some point, but I'm paying attention and caught up. However, that has nothing to do with me not being out of RVS.
In post 297, frog wrote:Giving you the benefit of the doubt, could you explain why you're more sceptical about Wisdom and Ali than some of us, please?
Ali and Wis both like to be town leaders when they roll scum.
Ali's response to me in
this post about his read on Dan feels fabricated to me. His inclusion of his commentary on EP is out of place and feels manipulative.
154 is just Ali pandering to Ooba and a promise to vote him later (which he obliges to, but I'd expect him to do so as either alignment). His
unvote on you is awful since his read on you should be independent of his read on EP. Not once did he indicate any reason to believe you/EP are a scumteam, yet he uses that as a reason to get off the wagon.
213 is mostly just a note for me since, if he read the Mafia QT from Civilization Mafia, then he would know the main reason town lost that game is because the scumteam let the town dismantle the scumwagons for them. Using this to both shade Desp and the ongoing Frog wagon reads as largely disingenuous. The rest of his iso just continues to push his agenda of tunnel onto EP. Like Maria, I'm also of the opinion that Ali is more aggressive as scum, although I have more issues with his train of logic here.
151 was really weird in that I can't see how he could have gotten that impression based on the gamestate, especially since SK was the leading wagon and there were others. I guess if he just thought Vifam and I were chainsawing EP. Still, his reaction to the small 3-person wagon on Ali in
150 is notable, as is him
shading EP for doubting Ali's alignment.
Basically, Wis is buddying Ali and trying to put Ali on a pedestal, while both of them are continuing to push the agenda of an EP lynch. I don't believe Ali ever had any conviction in his
early scumread on you since he jumped off very easily and for terrible reasoning, and has since discredited it's continued existence.
