TBD Mafia 2 [game over]

[ActionDan]

Mastina saved no one

[drealmerz7]

how do you claim to know that?

[ActionDan]

Because I know mastina isn't a bad player

[drealmerz7]

that doesn't make any sense

mastina knows I'm likely cop, guards me or docs me, scum KNOWS I'm cop because I'm not scum, go for me

geebus, this is like really basic and obvious here

[ActionDan]

"Mastina knows I'm likely cop"

That's where you're wrong

[drealmerz7]

yah we can kill Dan, he's just trying to write some dumb narrative

[drealmerz7]

you're claiming to know what she did or didn't do, I'm saying what is most likely, and you just can't accept the reality of that likelihood for the narrative you want to push which is whatever can get me killed, likely because you failed it last night!

[Chickadee]

I'M JUST GONNA SAY, I'M A SURVIVOR.

I DON'T THINK THAT WAS A HUGE SECRET. LLAMA CAN CONFIRM ME.

I'M STILL DOWN TO WIN WITH TOWN.

SNARKY IS

NOT

A SURVIVOR WITH US.







THERE'S NO HUGE FONT CULT. THOUGH THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS.

[chesskid3]

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF I'M THE STAR CITY CULT RECRUITER.

YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD GREEN ARROW

[Srceenplay]

yah we can kill Dan, he's just trying to write some dumb narrative

you're claiming to know what she did or didn't do, I'm saying what is most likely, and you just can't accept the reality of that likelihood for the narrative you want to push which is whatever can get me killed, likely because you failed it last night!

I feel like you are the one pushing a dumb narrative.
Why do you feel it’s likely and makes sense for someone to protect a “cop” that gets it wrong?

[Llamarble]

I agree with vecna's post on llama entrance.
It is the same feeling I got.

Screen + Vecna

Whatever, I tried to engage. I'll just coast again.

Hmm. Seems town.

Lots of derping around with heals and sitting on Snarky D2. + scumpoints.

Calls Dunker a bad lynch in the way it felt bad to me. +townpoints. But like, not a lot of them.

Everyone who is still voting dunk, why?
He claimed jester when he thought he was lynched. Do you not believe it?

What. +Trollpoints. +Townpoints?

Mmm, Screen's ISO works from scum. But it is not a slam dunk, at least to me.
2946 is actually really ALARM BELLS not good though.
The scum way to do "how can you think I'm scum WTF."
Dreal and Snarky are where groupscum would lobby for shots to go IMO.

[Llamarble]

Still don't like Vecna's initial exchange with me.
But he's having fun playing the game and offers a good variety of nuances and his role somewhat excuses the 3P obsession.
His lock-in on me also gets less offensive when the other wagons were also not on scum.
He's playing very well if scum.

[Vecna]

Marble, im surprised youre still constantly scumreading me here, while to me it feels like there really is no good reason for doing so whatsoever. Your reasoning just feels off. Im used to it from drealmerz, to...as you put it "hold me down all game" but from you it feels off.

You sheeped me yesterday, you;ve been having almost the exact same reads as me throughout the game (at least after you jumped the survivor ship) - yet you think im scum. It just doesnt add up to me.

[Vecna]

slow crosspost there - anyways

Marble, my radar is extremely finely tuned to when people get defensive and have something you hide. You had something to hide and you were being defensive during that initial exchange. Your tune changed, but your logic is still weird to me. Maybe theres some irritation from being forced out of your initial role there that is still directed at me.

Also, I was -NOT- having fun yesterday. That posting restriction in that pressure situation was really frustrating.

[Vecna]

Also im really curious why my role only "somewhat excuses" my 3P obsession. Why wouldnt I want to find out the survivors and track down actual threats with my limited use ability?

[Llamarble]

Well, yesterday I thought you were bussing Snarky. You seem like the bussing type.
I had this "Oh, he voted his partner now I can stack my votes on to lock that in and force scum to help town" Glorious Secret Plan.
I mean, I guess that's not totally ruled out but it is pretty farfetched now for various reasons.

Also, on this readthrough Eddie is showing some pretty serious righteousness and conviction.
I wouldn't have a chance at faking that level of brashness so I'll compare against some scum meta tomorrow.
I'm a lot more afraid of a townflip from that slot than I was before.

P.edit:
Somewhat excuses because I had to put in a fair amount of thought before I decided lynching 3p non-survivor was the right move yesterday where I didn't notice that consideration from you.

[Llamarble]

Ooh, ActionDan works really well with Screenplay. Sit vote on buddy -> switch to town because deadline in all-wagons-on-town D1.
Herding cats speech looked town at first glance but scum at second glance.

SRCEENPLAY + ACTIONDAN + Random?
Meh 2894 is a little town. I need to look at Random's vote-moves D2.

So I guess my favorite pick for shot #1 as I go to sleep is Screen?
But meh it's not perfect yet. I really wanted to make it crystallize today and go FOLLOW MEEE.
But people I wanted to lynch decided to look town instead.
I don't think my reads are good enough to where everyone should do an OPERATION SHEEP LLAMA yet.
Believe me I will make it obvious when I get there. I might be close if my reads tomorrow get me more Screen + AD confidence.
Or everything could flip around for me again

[Vecna]

Yeah I sure do love a good bus, and if scum didnt majorly bus dunker there with that role that he had, it wouldve been quite the missed opportunity for them. But never overestimate the opposition I guess.

At any rate, I have a plan for sorting the snarky scenario, so I no longer feel he should be shot/lynched today.

Also, we still have a kill of last night unaccounted for, and the 4th survivor that we do not know about. I doubt any scum or survivor would wanna kill mario with the pressure the slot was under......

Snarky, does your information state it very clearly that all the 3p are survivors, and that they cannot be SK's? Im still confused why my role would be added to this setup if your information is correct.

[drealmerz7]

because your role is for scum, vecna, and you're scum...

I feel like you are the one pushing a dumb narrative.
Why do you feel it’s likely and makes sense for someone to protect a “cop” that gets it wrong?

because if I'm insane, which is most likely, I'm still very useful, once my sanity is determined (which I'm like 95% sure on it now anyway), I mean...that's how it works...

I feel like this is "duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" and you're just trying to make it not duh because again you just want me dead

[Vecna]

Dude can you for once stop with that nonsense? Its getting really really tiring to have to deal with that crap every game. Besides that, what setup design is gonna put multiple cops on the same scumteam?

and my suspicion is becoming that im also insane, giving snarky all this information as an actual 3rd party, with that posting restriction seems very unlikely. Ill hopefully get to test my suspicions tonight.

[drealmerz7]

umm, but it does make sense for a scumrole

way to try and be dismissive towards me though

[drealmerz7]

especially in conjunction with dunker's role

[Srceenplay]

I agree with vecna's post on llama entrance.
It is the same feeling I got.

Screen + Vecna

Whatever, I tried to engage. I'll just coast again.

Hmm. Seems town.

Lots of derping around with heals and sitting on Snarky D2. + scumpoints.

Calls Dunker a bad lynch in the way it felt bad to me. +townpoints. But like, not a lot of them.

Everyone who is still voting dunk, why?
He claimed jester when he thought he was lynched. Do you not believe it?

What. +Trollpoints. +Townpoints?

Mmm, Screen's ISO works from scum. But it is not a slam dunk, at least to me.
2946 is actually really ALARM BELLS not good though.
The scum way to do "how can you think I'm scum WTF."
Dreal and Snarky are where groupscum would lobby for shots to go IMO.

I may be scum with Vecna because I agreed with him?
Were you not town?
I don’t see nothing wrong with 2946. I’m trying to convey my thoughts on the current situation.
So explain why dreal and snarky are more valuable alive?
You say I’m not a slam dunk scum read but I should be shot. So I’m iffy with no information to gain. Basically putting us deeper into the hole where we probably can’t dig out from.

Make no sense to me.

[drealmerz7]

venca, if it makes you feel better I still SR you (and it's not a HEAVY SR, but you're in my pool no doubt) independent of your role stuff

and it's not like I set out each or ANY game with you in to try and SR you, I do try and read you, you know

and you know it, so your dismissal of my read is that much more the scumness

[drealmerz7]

I may be scum with Vecna because I agreed with him?

this is something scum scum do ^^^

extrapolate something specific into this generalized removed perspective to try and make it something that is dismissable

dude isn't saying any time any one person agrees with another person they are scum together, he's saying, IN THIS GAME, in THAT specific instance, with it's specific nuances and how it was done and all that has happened so far in one way or another that has lead up to THAT point, that he reads it as possibly you 2 being scum together

that's what mafia is, there's a million little things and some of them mean nothing and some of them mean barely anything and some of them mean a great deal and some of them are more likely than others and you've got to do your best to sort and find and FEEL OUT what in each specific game as each little piece builds you think is likely to mean something or think DOES mean something and you point it out, that is all llama is doing, and he's doing it well

and you know it, and vecna knows it, and ya I see and have seen possibility for something to be between the 2 of you as the game has been going on and think it is quite possible you're scum together too, and it's nice to have it reinforced / have someone else have that view in their view too (not like it's a fucking death tunnel, don't start treating it like it is) - pretty sure llama is not scum and I know I'm not, sooo, yep