Hey
did you learn ANYTHING from the clusterfuck you replaced out of known as Civ mafia where the WHOLE town decided to wagon town because scumfucks weren't posting?
No
I really don't fucking think so if you are A. Voting me and B. think this:
In post 1071, Spiffeh wrote:Ugh randomidget is gonna flea and then I have to actually THINK about who is the remaining scum
Can we please flash wagon him that would be nice
Because guess what
random
is probably not scum.
Why?
Because he along with me and sleepy are those lynches that are like
"Yeah, I guess we'll just lynch those."
Hey
news flash
those NEVER
EVER
EVER
EVER
flip fucking scum.
Aren't you the guy that ALWAYS says "I will be impressed if Alisae is scum here?"
This isn't how I play as scum. (Well, this isn't my norm as scum).
Anyone here who has played with scum me, can tell you this.
As scum, I actually show CONFIDENCE, and I have a presence.
Anyone here who has or reads scumgames of mine, can guess what, tell you this.
Now
the reason why I don't have any strong reads right now is
I don't have any strong feelings about who is scum
I just don't get them from who was currently posting
UNTIL
Shea started posting and pushing this halfassed meta read.
And Spiffeh I lost convincition in pushing once I started interacting with him.
First
In post 881, Thestatusquo wrote:Ok, fully caught up. Here is some thoughts on every player. I don't usually do this but theres a couple exercises I want to do here and we only have one day so I want my thoughts to be laid out as completely as possible.
SleepyKrew
- I could see SKscum. I just see no genuine interest in finding scum. In my previous town interactions with SK he has been at least theoretically invested in figuring out who the scum are, and I just don't see that here. He's lurking but not really lurking. Which might be the zone I would expect scum to be in.
Gorkington
- Keely is really trying to puzzle out the came. He is in the zone where I would expect scum post counts to be in, but is not posting in the way I expect scum to post. Solid town read. I know you gave homework for me, but catching up after not posting for 48 hours and being stranded in WVa is a higher priority to that.
Quilford
- I honestly don't know.
Ramcius
- Could be scum. So cheeky though. Post count in the right zone. Posts nonsense.
KidAmn
- No real reads here. Pretty much exactly the kind of post count I would expect scum to have.
Chevre
- Chevre seems super sincere here. Post count right where I would expect scum to be. Lean town.
Errantparabola
- EPs play here is very consistent with EP town play that I have seen from metating them before. Posts in the right zone for scum.
randomidget
- Need to do Gorks HW to compartmentalize my reads on RM. Posts not in the right zone for scum.
ActionDan
- Not much to go off of here, but posts not in the right zone for scum.
Untrod Tripod
- Posts in the right zone for scum and seems to be actively avoiding playing the game. Quils analysis on him suggests that this should NOT be the case with scumUT and frankly my experience playing with scum UT mirrors quils, which is part of why I thought that point was as strong as it was when he made it. I just don't think this is UTs scum game.
Ellibereth
- Posts in just the right zone for scum. I think that Ellibereth has done a lot of useless theory crafting this game and not really a whole lot of trying to figure out who the scum is. If you read his iso you find a lot of stuff that you'd never be able to read for alignment, but is related to the game in a theory sense. I know that implosion town read me for this, but I don't share the same thought. I think that scum would be perfectly content to talk theory especially if the theory they were espousing was not the one they would take. If Elli flips scum we can pretty much guarantee his partner is not a lurker.
Bins
- Posts not in the zone for scum, appears to genuinely not be playing the game. Also seems to genuinely not care if they get lynched either. Lean town.
Spiffeh
- Posts in the zone for scum. This read seems to have changed the most during my reread. In a period where there was stagnation, there's just no motivation for spiffeh to play the way they have if they're scum. They are really engaged with trying to find the scum it looks like, and this is hard to fake. I find scum questions about others points are often tinged with either trying to egg them to a conclusion or create subtle discredits for the points, whereas spiffeh seems to genuinely trying to find the answers to the game. Hard town read.
implosion
- Inside the range for scum. I think Implosions arguments tend to be focused on hyper specific parts of the game, and I don't think that he seems all that interested on whats going on outside of those parts. Lean scum.
Realeo
- Posts outside the range I would expect for scum. Not many other thoughts.
Alisae
- Posts inside the range I would expect from scum. Also just normal for allisae of any alignment? People can correct me if that is wrong. I just think that allisae is posting lots but saying little. I don't think they care who is lynched. I think that they tend to be steering discussion in non-productive directions. I think the last push on spiffeh was completely non-town, because I just don't see how a town player could expect that post to lead to good outcomes from town. Its kind of like allisae said to themselves "I would be tunneling someone at this point as scum I need to play to that meta but it can't be a wagon or someone will shoot me when they flip town." and just parked their vote in a safe place. I'm hugely not a fan.
A couple of tertiary points, I wanted to see if limited out the super lurkers would be helpful to me, and by and large its not. If we expect lurkers to not be the scum because of the risk of being shot, that doesn't do a whole lot for us.
If I had to guess I would expect our scum to be in the group of (allisae, implosion, elli, ram, SK).
If a lurker flees we can fully eliminate all other lurkers from our reads. I think the main thing scum are likely to do is post middling count but that could go out the window if one of the scum is allisae who posts high regardless.
I'm going to
VOTE: ellibereth for now and see where this takes me.
Actually read this post
its shit
0 analysis in this.
A bunch of information
And if you think I'm "Keeping my options open."
Look at this fucking post.
Because this is exactly what keeping your options fucking looks like.
There is NOTHING of value in this post you can get from it, and it is easily fakable as scum.
Now the way Shea is pushing Eli looks like how I push my scumreads.
I don't like to talk about why they are scum. They just are scum.
I mean hey its less work that you have to fabricate or look like you're doing.
Then look how he pulls out of his Eli push
In post 1034, Thestatusquo wrote:Dan is town.
I read his scum games and his town games and honestly this game sort of follows dans pattern when town and he doesn't have any reads. He tends to just coast into the later game and try to catch people. When he is not feeling it, he doesn't post, unless there is memeing going on, which there is not this game. In his scum games that I read he at least faked it to a small degree. He has not done that here.
Elli is town.
This is just not his scum game. He actually, on reread, does seem invested in finding the scum in this game. I went back and read quite a few of his scum games and hes just not like that as scum, especially on d1. Caveat here is that this game is a bit unique and this meta is old, but I am pretty comfortable with this read.
Shea is town.
Obv Obv.
More to come! I'm going to be MIA this weekend and I want to place a vote with confidence and stuff for people to read to get off this kind of ridiculous sk wagon.
Hint: It looks REALLY fucking scummy and faked.
Like this does not look like town re-evaluating.
It just doesn't.
In post 1036, Thestatusquo wrote:Alisae could be scum. The way they're playing this game is drastically different from their town game. I know they've already admitted as much if you read back in their meta, and there are a couple of examples of them saying things like "no it makes sense that you've been scum reading me. Here's the thing, though: It's not just a lack of reads or pushes that's different, its the whole way in which they're approaching the other players in this game. The alisae town games I read showcase the same questioning attitude I see in this game, but more than slightly different. In those games they seem to be trying to pick apart others reasons and either reject them (read them from scum or as null) or incorporate them into their own. Here Alisae is asking a lot of questions but they don't seem to be doing anything with the answers, so to speak. Just read the iso (I know, I know, it's a lot.) Almost all of the posts are interacting with another person, and a huge percentage of them are asking questions (this is consistent with the alisae town games I read) but then the answers just...don't go anywhere in terms of reads or thoughts. It's like they're trying to force people to answer questions about the game to be involved in the game but doesn't really care. Then we get a spiffeh push from them which is just out of left field, seems to be way less than some other things going on, and just seems kind of pointless. They make a couple of half hearted attempts to keep pushing that wagon but eventually just go back to this nonsense questioning style. I don't like it. I don't think it's alisae's town game.
Yeah, I said that this isn't how I play as town.
HOWEVER
Is this how I play as scum?
Because it isn't.
I KNOW you are reading and analyzing other people's scumgames.
So why aren't you saying you did so here (assuming you did)?
This looks EXTREMELY disingenuous and does not come across as you genuinely interested in solving the game.
We don't have much time left
but we can still vote fucking shea
and in the event he doesn't flee
you can accuse the shit out of him.
