Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Mikan Tsumiki]

Desperado isn't bad at this game.
He can gamesolve and the fact he has no intention of doing so or posting anything that remotely looks town is indicative of him being scum.
Kill it.

Also the fact momo scumreads Snarky and not Desperado is noted.

[Transcend]

mikan i'm getting bad feelings in my stomach about you ....

[Mikan Tsumiki]

VOTE: Group C

Feeling that or my own group for right now.

I don't really like snarky's play this game. This is his second [out of 2] posts and the only one with any real game furthering content. He starts of not placing any votes because the wagon is on his own group

and then as soon as the momentum begins to turn against C [Away from B] he pops on and hops on the wagon. No explanation, nothing. While I hate to vote my own group, I do think it is necessary at this point if there is any hope of a Snarky Lynch.

VOTE: Group B

What do y'all think?

p.s. Good to be playing mafia again...I missed this game

How the fuck does town even come up with this hard of a fucking stance and this analysis D1 of someone who has 2 posts
Oh wait they fucking don't.

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Ok cool thanks.

@LUV: Please hardclaim in your next post thank you

No.

Anyone who asks for a claim, or claims will get my undying condemnation. If you cannot convince us you are town by your play, you deserve it.

VOTE: Group C

I understand the reasoning behind no claims provided (it is actually fairly good) but I do feel like this post seems a bit harsh. If Rauth was scum, this right here would be a good excuse to jump on a wagon away from his group

. This is definitely something to consider if we get to a B lynch as well as the stuff on snarky I said above.

That being said, Rauth has been contributing and trying to further discussion. Anyone who has played with him before...can you tell me about his meta? Does he normally make tunnel threats as town?

This sounds extremely awkward and probably isn't coming from town. Like look at the questioning it's extremely awkward.

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Honestly guys, we don't need a D1 claim.

Plus, there are plenty of other poss scum in B.

LUV shouldn't need to claim. He should simply be put under the microscope along with Snarky and Rauth. The time focused on him would be good for a read and even if we are not sure, we have 2 other likely scum.

wtf even is this post.

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Momo, why Snarky?!

VOTE: Group C

Feeling that or my own group for right now.

I don't really like snarky's play this game. This is his second [out of 2] posts and the only one with any real game furthering content. He starts of not placing any votes because the wagon is on his own group

and then as soon as the momentum begins to turn against C [Away from B] he pops on and hops on the wagon. No explanation, nothing. While I hate to vote my own group, I do think it is necessary at this point if there is any hope of a Snarky Lynch.

VOTE: Group B

What do y'all think?

p.s. Good to be playing mafia again...I missed this game

I think this post covers that. Adding on, Snarky gives 0 specifics. On top of this, he mentions his own group [to avoid suspicion] but is not ready to act upon it at all. Even if he does not want the hammer in his own group [for whatever reason including that he is scum trying to avoid a lynch] he should at least give some reads. It just reads very scum to me.

How the fuck does town spin a narative this fucking bad
oh wait
they don't.

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Just found out ginngie is gin.

From what I remember, Gin does not play like this.

Does the alt account always act like this?

I honestly don't know.

If they do , it's a TR. If not....

Edit: Checker stop...this is looking like scum diversionary tactics from my point of view

Either way, gn everyone, seeya tomorrow

His concern here screams really faked.
The paranoia here isn't genuine it can die.

[Transcend]

k but this is momo we're talking about

momo...

[Mikan Tsumiki]

mikan i'm getting bad feelings in my stomach about you ....

I'm sorry call me a filthy pig!

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k but this is momo we're talking about

momo...

Spoiler: Guess what

I don't care

[Mikan Tsumiki]

The fact that anyone townreads that slot is fucking beyond me.

[Transcend]

i don't tr but i'm i've never seen a player that's such a giant lynchbait in my life so i'm being careful about him

[Mikan Tsumiki]

This is what a Town!Desperado looks like
This is what a Scum!Desperado looks like
The difference is light and day and if Desperado is town that will become obvious.

pedit: Don't give me that bullshit man
If he's that much of a giant lynchbait why is it even worth defending him?

[Transcend]

because it's a super easy push for scum to pursue and i think tat's what you might be doing

[Mikan Tsumiki]

Okay and what if he's scum?

[Transcend]

well yeah he could be. i don't feel it right now.

[Mikan Tsumiki]

So that's not a judgment call you can make now is it?

[Transcend]

the judgment call i'm making is that independent of momo's alignment, your push on him feels scummy

[Mikan Tsumiki]

I'd much rather bacade you like a collared sex slave in rotterdam tyvm

[Transcend]

lmao

good timezZz

[checkersman7]

what's the difference between having LUV claim and be counter claimed, meaning we all vote B and proceed to lynch

VERSUS

We all vote B, adn then LUV claims and be counter claimed and proceed to lynch

There are few fundamental differences based on the order of operations, but the biggest problem with scenario 1 is that I don't think anyone would CC claim, regardless of LUV's actual role.

no brain activity detected in latest sentence. Resisting urge to scream... BEEP BOOP.

wake me up when i can vote luv

omg desperado <3

there's 4 people i wana lynch into next dimension and none of them are in group B

:think:

considering there is 2 scum confirmed in group B, this sounds like a personal problem

considering there is 2 scum confirmed in group B, this sounds like a personal problem

I'm WEAK

Someone intelligent bounce this off me.

if we are running some fool up and they claim PR is it optimal to have a CC period and leave both alive yes/no

Okay
I'm going to go OOC to explain this becuase I spent some time thinking about what would happen if we massclaimed.
The answer would be Traitor would just claim VT here no matter what and would just rely on other methods to signal to their scumteam.
Claiming PR is a bit too risky I think.

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This one is last because I actually care if people read it and I had high hopes for you...
you quote a post where I say NOTHING about massclaim in order to say massclaim is a bad idea? Actually READ the suggestion please thank you

The following is not up for discussion:

If we are lynching a slot, it gets a chance to claim. if it claims TOWN PR and there is NO CC, it is NOT LYNCHED and has done an admirable job of SUCKING, but is still confirmed town.

Caveats:
1) If you are the actual town PR and you do not CC - you are a horrible player, and you will be made fun of for all eternity and given a mocking nickname like 'Bulbathrower' for example if your name is Bulbazak
2) If you are a VT and you claim Town PR, I (and hopefully everyone else in this game) reports you to the site mods for gamethrowing

thank you for attention to this apparently BIG DRAMATIC MAFIA ENTRANCE EXAM STRATEGY

[Mikan Tsumiki]

Ok Chess I think you may have misunderstood me.
I was thinking about how the setup could be broken so my first step was massclaim and deciding if that's a good idea or not.
Then I came to these conclusions.

Here is where we are on the same page
> Town PRs will always claim PR.
> A Period for a CC should be given.
> If there is no CC, we don't lynch it and it is confrimed town.
> LolBulba

Here is where we may not be on the same page
> I don't think Traitor claims PR here ever.
> I think a Goon is more likely to claim PR then a Traitor.

[ConManMick]

Transcend, that last game we played, LUV was masons with me right? Got scumread hard. Think his play here is similar?
LUV, same game; Transcend's play similar?

[Mikan Tsumiki]

Is there like still some misunderstanding between me or you?
Or is it just me?
Because I am pretty sure I understand what you are trying to say there. and I don't think that's a sinareo that would happen.

[Transcend]

> LolBulba

[checkersman7]

Ok Chess I think you may have misunderstood me.
I was thinking about how the setup could be broken so my first step was massclaim and deciding if that's a good idea or not.
Then I came to these conclusions.

Here is where we are on the same page
> Town PRs will always claim PR.
> A Period for a CC should be given.
> If there is no CC, we don't lynch it and it is confrimed town.
> LolBulba

Here is where we may not be on the same page
> I don't think Traitor claims PR here ever.
> I think a Goon is more likely to claim PR then a Traitor.

Is there like still some misunderstanding between me or you?
Or is it just me?
Because I am pretty sure I understand what you are trying to say there. and I don't think that's a sinareo that would happen.

I can see scum faking town PR I can see them just claiming VT

either way if we are trying to lynch someone we wait for the claim and we sure as hell don't savagely hammer someone who hasn't had the chance to claim

or hammer AFTER the claim with this "LYNCH ALL CLAIMED PEOPLE" mental equivalent of an amoeba nonsense until there's a CC window.

And I'm definitely not advocating massclaim

[Mikan Tsumiki]

Let's say this is a group

Billy
Bob
LolBulba - Lol Traitor
Dab - Goon
Joe
Phill
Mother Russia - Town PR

Let's say lolbulba gets wagoned and claims, Mother Russia CCs
If we were to leave the CC alive and wagon Joe, then Joe flips town.
Lolbulba blocks Mother Russia, Scum shoot Phill

We are left with
Billy
Bob
LolBulba
Dab
Mother Russia

Now if for some reason we decided to stay in this group, and we lynched Mother Russia because lol
Then Billy gets shot
and now we're in a bad position where there's 2 scum left in one group and 1 town remaining in that group.
glgl

pedit: The massclaim is a redhairing dude
forget about the fucking massclaim

[chesskid3]

Well we also aren't double lynching from a group period if we miss on the first day unless the 2nd is the CC.

like the optimal lynching strategy here is to lynch one person from each group. If 2 out of 3 hit mafia game is easymode. If 1 out of 3 hit it's not bad

and if we miss all 3 we suck and it'll be really hard from there.

[Mikan Tsumiki]

Oh yeah and if D2 we lynched Billy/Bob because lolmafiascum then it gets even worse and the goon is free to out itself and lolcat
Doesn't matter, can't lynch it without lynching before lynching another scumfuck

pedit: Hey Chess, its mafiascum
town does some pretty stupid shit imo

[checkersman7]

Well we also aren't double lynching from a group period if we miss on the first day unless the 2nd is the CC.

like the optimal lynching strategy here is to lynch one person from each group. If 2 out of 3 hit mafia game is easymode. If 1 out of 3 hit it's not bad

and if we miss all 3 we suck and it'll be really hard from there.

Sigh.