Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Toto]

I believe in the AlphaMeta 5000 now

[Ellibereth]

I mean
story of the game:

There was always someone in the town that had a correct read that got their say.
While the people that were wrong didn't.

so

I'm actually very happy that I didn't self destruct and force mislynches through and just let other things happen and other people do their thing when I was wavering/not sure.

[Bulbazak]

@Chess: The same reason I didn't want to think of a possibility of you & Elli being scum (I didn't think it'd be possible for town to win in that case, so best to just assume it to be impossible) was similar to why I pushed that slot so hard. Alisae said and did some things that I felt were uncharacteristic, and I preferred a world where they were scum to one where I severely misjudged them as a person. The last time I let something like that go, Alisae completely outplayed me. That's why when I talked to Ginngie on d2, I was trying to find out if my impression of Alisae was just wrong. I never got that reassurance.

[Ellibereth]

I honestly don't think Ali ever reps out of there as scum.
They would relish the opportunity to trick me as scumlisae.

[Ellibereth]

But yeah...I actually fucked up on chess in maplewood too.

MAYBE I NEED TO BE MORE RIGOROUS ON YOU FUCKHEADS NOW.

[Bulbazak]

I was severely turning around on Ram d3. I meant to give final reads on d4 before the thread closed, but I was actually being very lazy. I would have been screaming Transcend/Toto. I think I knew the Ram slot was town in my heart of hearts, but I really didn't want it to be true.

[LicketyQuickety]

So there was a Dead PT, and I didn't get access to it because...?

I guess I underestimated Bulba because of his group B reads.

Yeah, my B reads sucked, but I did constantly say that I was having trouble with that group. My goal was to sort one of the other groups and then come back to B with a goon flip to reference. I also underestimated you, because you were way more confident in pushing your reads here than you were in Night & Day (seriously, if you are in a 1v1 situation in a game where scum can only be X, don't waffle around).

Completely missed Dan. I was completely trusting Elli on that read, and I really liked his d1 sassiness around the LUV vote. It made me think "He's wrong in that he's voting town, but he's wrong in a town way.". I just never stopped to reevaluate that. I probably would have considered the darkest timeline theory (Elli x Chess) before I'd have reconsidered Dan.

OMG, I'm so sorry. It has nothing to do with you personally. I am just really absent minded (I lose things all the time). I can guarantee it was nothing personal at all.

Again I am so sorry.

[Bulbazak]

It's all right.

[Ellibereth]

BULB THIS IS MY FORMAL APOLOGY

[ActionDan]

Btw how did it feel bulb when Eddie was sorta obv scum. Did you pity him?

[Alisae]

Also, promised this if Alisae was town:


I had a higher opinion of you prior to this game, and I would have preferred you to have been scum than to have spewed Chess-worthy garbage.

lolbulba
you think I care?
I will have you know
I am a god.

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how dare u bully a god like that

ftfy

[Alisae]

Also yeah this setup is terrible mostly because its anti-fun and I have 0 idea how you are supposed to have fun in this setup.

[Creature]

It's annoying to wait nights, that's it.

Maybe it should be instant-night.

[Creature]

The group mechanism is pretty alright though.

[Alisae]

Honestly though shoulda just stayed in and have my ~revenge~
Trans how dare you push me like that.

[Alisae]

also tbf bulba, I found your Youtube channel and I will say
your voice is pretty good for youtube.

[Vaxkiller]

Oh shit i read all that just to realize we won! WOOT!

[ActionDan]

also tbf bulba, I found your Youtube channel and I will say
your voice is pretty good for youtube.

Plz link

[Alisae]

also tbf bulba, I found your Youtube channel and I will say
your voice is pretty good for youtube.

Plz link

Elli/Chess can link it privately to ya
or I'll link it publicly if its ok
its not hard to find.

[Creature]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1yw4SZf48Wv

[Alisae]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1yw4SZf48Wv

[Bulbazak]

BULB THIS IS MY FORMAL APOLOGY

That's okay Elli. To be fair, all you've ever seen of me was a 4 year old game and 17 Kilos, where I essentially was never able to get my feet under me and turned into a gibbering paranoid mess. You at least talked to me and gave me feedback. Sometimes all I need is to talk with strong townreads for awhile. I got where I needed to be by d2 to start making progress.

Btw how did it feel bulb when Eddie was sorta obv scum. Did you pity him?

I know Eddie personally, which means I knew about his rl circumstances and how that was affecting his play. So I wasn't taking any of that activity stuff or talking about his circumstances into account, because he would have done that regardless. I was trying to pay more attention to his reads/stances and how he got there (Again, I never felt comfortable with how quickly he townread Thor and Majiffy). After I got him lynched as town in Night & Day (where I agreed to always give him a day before going full paranoid on him) and after he played toward making me see him as town in TBD, I was being extremely cautious this game. As I had to tell Chess, I never wrote him off as town, but I didn't want to rush into a scum read either. I was hoping that he might be able to get the time and I could actually get the full on interaction that I felt I needed to nail down a read, but then he replaced out and ghosted across all media for about a month. I looked at his replacement, thought "probably scum, will take a look later" and focused my attention elsewhere. I didn't feel as great a need to get that nailed down, because he was in the same group I was.

[Creature]

Atleast night and day!eddie convinced us he was town (though we just didn't get in time to save him).

[Bulbazak]

He also had more time to play and didn't have a kid to worry about.

[Alisae]

he didn't convince me he was town