Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Mikan Tsumiki]

Assemble is purely gut.
There are some Thor posts I liked let me go grab them.

[Elliberetta]

posting these here for my own ease of reference later

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[Elliberetta]

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[Mikan Tsumiki]

See the problem with this is that there are at least 3 confirmed SANE people in group C

How do you connect sanity to alignment exactly?
Because those players who are sane tend to be sane regardless and vice versa - so I'm pretty sure that you're debating a policy preference with me here, no?

This question feels really town to me.
Like I really like this.

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Thor-Jiffy, who in your group do you think is scum? [/i]

It's day 1 in a large, anyone advancing any scum read as particularly meaningful is being silly.
I'd be willing to lynch any of them besides Majiffy, and it's not that I town read him, I just want him to live till the game is small enough we can sort of interact, get paranoid at each other, and set up a 1v1

Are you claiming you had your own reasons to vote your own group and that you weren't following the avalanche of B votes? What about your C vote? That group is starting to get a lot of attention now. Was your vote not influenced by that?

I would absolutely claim that about B.
At the point I moved to C it was smaller than B, so if my move was sheep oriented for C it weakens your argument for B to be sheepy.
Your move.

This feels town to me.

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Why are so many people town reading me so early? That is actually making me nervous about my own reads.

People are throwing out reads and adjusted reads like Skittles - why do you think it matters?

Creature often does lists as town.

Does he not do them as scum?

Oh god you're scum and want me to townread you in endgame aren't you

Nah, I want you to townread me until the day before lylo, then, at night I want you to figure it out, then I want to kill you that night for epic lulz and Dead QT rage.
You got me into a Large at game start - I'm going to kill you regardless of my alignment

This vote count is gold. The group B voters are so town rich I think I've got my daily dose of vitamins from just looking at it. In contrast there are a lot of people voting Group C that are null-scum with a only couple town reads sprinkled in-between. I think that the reason why is that in Group C there's a lot more reads that are all over the place while people are slowly forming a consensus on group B.

The only one that I think there is stark disagreement with among those voting in Group B is LUV (He's scum btw).

I don't even get this, scum are in two sets of 3 that don't know each other, so the idea they're going to bother to influence the Group selection much...meh? I mean, if they're doing it, great, but I'll be fascinated to learn their reasons.

It always takes me a while to sort out Thor, though usually I end up town reading him more than scum reading him. I am more familiar with him in newbie games than large games. Last time we were in a game together that was a large theme game, was the 42 player role madness game. He turned out to be scumz and even though I was a known and confirmed Mason, he still did not try to kill me. In fact he did not kill anyone for several nights in a row, which made everyone think that the red scum were all gone.

It was definitely not a play one usually sees from scum, and that is why I always am suspicious of him even if I think he is town.

And this is why I spend all of day 3 in most games with you battering my head against a wall?

UNVOTE: Group C
VOTE: Groub B

That is L-1 if the last voter tallied things right, someone should lolhammer.
Or, better yet, demand a claim and then get pissed when someone else lolhamers.

His majiffy interactions to me come off as honest. They're most likely NAI but they kinda make me feel good about Thor.
His response to Dan is really good and kinda mirrors what I think.

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Transcends' vote is pretty meh within the context of why Group B was a better group to select.
Not that I'm sure I'm buying that context, but if he did, then, y'know, suspect that skeeve.

PEdit - I refuse to use a "hurt" tag. I'm a man full grown, we don't admit pain.

The Transcend read kinda feels naturally formed to me. It doesn't really come off as agendy or anything.

[Mikan Tsumiki]

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that large NY game brings back memories

[Elliberetta]

idk

i have some respect for thor's intelligence

even if his philosophy for most large's is lol I dunt care about early game (which I still need to verify)

this game is practically three 5-2 minis and can be treated more of as such.

I think townthor would realize this difference and adjust.

while scumthor is more likely to pull up this meta of his large philosophy that i need to verify and be like loliduncared1lul

[Mikan Tsumiki]

I think Thor is a read I'm not taking super strongly atm and will come back to later on in the game.

[Elliberetta]

you may go

and so shall I

[Transcend]

How is it impossible for me to not be scum with Finn?

Inner group associations don't mean shit rn.

[Mikan Tsumiki]

I don't care about the fact you two are in the same group.
I care about your interactions.

[Transcend]

Ginn*

To be scum *

Posting first thing in the morningis bad

[Transcend]

Uhh wut

Traitors don't know goons and vice versa.

[Transcend]

you can't actually legitimately make that call at this time

[Mikan Tsumiki]

tbh I kinda forgot about the traitor

[Creature]

I'd not be surprised if Majiffy and Thor were the scum from the Group B.

[Creature]

Desperado is the scum's group C power role.

[Thor665]

this game is practically three 5-2 minis and can be treated more of as such.

No it can't.
And even if I were to accept that claim - feel free to explain the scumhunting possible in the group vote section.
Like, explain how scum are motivated and how you can possibly track that at this stage.
I'll wait.

[Creature]

I guess the point of this game isn't to lynch every player with a red role PM, but rather every mafia goon. So if we lynch the mafia goon from Group B, we only choose from Group A or Group C next time.

[Creature]

Majiffy

Rautherdir
SnarkySnowman

Thor665
momo

Lil Uzi Vert

ConManMick

Not lynching strikes

[Creature]

If anyone's here, answer: Which of {Majiffy, Thor665, momo, ConManMick} can you sort easier?

[Desperado]

VOTE: LUV

[SnarkySnowman]

CMM is pretty weak atm and I want more from him. Thor I'm not sure. Momo feels like low hanging fruit, but.. :/

[checkersman7]

phonepost but hey Mika u realise your ginngie and transcend not scum with each other read is shit because the scum within group don't know each other rite

[Majiffy]

Pls don't lynch CMM today I wanted to play with him

[Majiffy]

Anyway I'll srspost when I get home tonight.