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Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:42 am

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In post 851, Mathdino wrote:Scumreads are {hebichan, mollie, UT}.
lmfao literally dino's final post
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Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:44 am

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like i feel like my entire game was just being simultaneously shit on by the entire goddamn town while the scum buddied me until they were FORCED to lynch me to get rid of my reads

i was the single most active player in the game with the most accurate reads

that's not me being an arrogant bitch in general (i have godawful reads in a lot of games)

but that is me saying that you guys had 0 justification for treating my slot the way you did
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Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:47 am

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i'm a little bit vindicated because espeonage got lynched by horrible reads while he couldn't defend himself

just like i was LOLHAMMERED WHAT EVEN

but there is no universe in which espeonage or titus should EVER have been lynched either of those two days
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Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:06 am

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In post 1199, Mathdino wrote:i'm actually legitimately disappointed in you guys based on your reputations
I dunno I feel like this pretty much lines up with mine :cool:
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Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:09 am

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In post 1203, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1199, Mathdino wrote:i'm actually legitimately disappointed in you guys based on your reputations
I dunno I feel like this pretty much lines up with mine :cool:
i mean that's the thing

to me, the entire scum basically scumclaimed

my reads are not usually this good, but everyone else obvtowned and you guys obvscummed

napoleon was a policy deadline lynch, so that was whatever

i made my preference very clear on D1 that i wanted hebichan to be the lynch but that would've gotten me killed

i really don't know what i could've done differently this game, this was peak mathdino in terms of reads/activity
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Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:11 am

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also we need to talk about geriatric games

because i felt like the mod was plenty active

and the last time i played geriatric, i felt like it actually helped town because a lot of the players were fairly active in general, and were forced to condense their information into smaller posts

this game was awful for it though

like the inactivity absolutely ruined all 4 days

my high activity turned me into a "the tallest nail gets the hammer" parable :/
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Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:16 pm

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In post 1201, Mathdino wrote:like i feel like my entire game was just being simultaneously shit on by the entire goddamn town while the scum buddied me until they were FORCED to lynch me to get rid of my reads

i was the single most active player in the game with the most accurate reads

that's not me being an arrogant bitch in general (i have godawful reads in a lot of games)

but that is me saying that you guys had 0 justification for treating my slot the way you did
Um.. For someone throwing a lot of shade at the rest of the game, you could brush up on your ability to effectively communicate. As much as your reads happened to be good, you couldn't lead people out of a burning building. Just a mess of bad logic and angry squelches.

Although yeah, the inactivity was horrible. Town lost more than scum won.
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Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:19 pm

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kublai, i play in certain ways that lead me to win games in the current meta

the VCA pointed to my scumteam

the interactives pointed to my scumteam

and i had solid PoE that also pointed to my scumteam

i have, in every other playerlist as town, corralled lynches

the logic was good, that's why it was right

the "angry squelches" were admittedly a "don't mislynch me" ploy and that's legitimately what got me enough townreads to survive past D1

so i'm not taking your criticism as especially constructive
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Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:20 pm

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like, 90% of the time, my charisma >>> my reads

this was a rarity
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Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:22 pm

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In post 601, Mathdino wrote:I believe that given my contributions and activity, scum were purposefully avoiding my wagon because of the terrible optics of it. If there IS scum on my wagon, I actually think it's Cooldog, who started it for questionable reasons and kind of just voteparked it the whole day.
oh while we're at it cooldog was the only scum on my wagon

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Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:22 pm

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In post 1207, Mathdino wrote:the "angry squelches" were admittedly a "don't mislynch me" ploy
Well yeah. That's my issue. Maybe I'm just really out of sync with whatever the current meta but "don't lynch me" is a massive red flag. It's why I couldn't ever really read you as town.

And if I can't read you as town, I'm either resisting or ignoring you.
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Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:25 pm

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that part's not on me though!

like it's your responsibility to either have good reads or recognise good logic that works on the current meta :/

and i never ignore my scumreads until they literally claim scum. unless you have absolutely amazing reads (which no one does), ignoring your scumreads ends up ignoring town almost every single game

i was producing more content than anyone else in the game too :(
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Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:28 pm

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If you're going to yell at town for not following you, then it kinda is on you to be more followable. Blame goes two ways.
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Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:40 pm

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In post 1212, Kublai Khan wrote:If you're going to yell at town for not following you, then it kinda is on you to be more followable. Blame goes two ways.
surely someone should or would have picked up the fact that at least one out of three of mathdino's scumreads were correct. someone should have picked up he was actively solving, or perhaps, his tone and large ability in trying to get the town to stop lurking. perhaps the wagon composition being absolutely shit or anything equal to it. the wagon having built on napoleon also being completely organic and showing somewhat that math believed his reads. perhaps his tone in general.

idk, there was a lot to talk about with mathdino, and it feels everyone went the lazy route with him. i think there's a lot less blame to be attributed to someone when their wagon is pushed by scum and by townies who refuse to look into a deeper picture that goes past surface level reads.
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Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:43 pm

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In post 1213, Killthestory wrote:idk, there was a lot to talk about with mathdino, and it feels everyone went the lazy route with him. i think there's a lot less blame to be attributed to someone when their wagon is pushed by scum and by townies who refuse to look into a deeper picture that goes past surface level reads.
KTS, my wagon was, at the end of Day 1, literally all town plus the serial killer

the thing is, on D2, i gamesolved that, saying repeatedly "if there was any scum on my wagon yesterday, it's cooldog"

i actively pushed the people who townread me on D1 because it felt fake (i couldn't push them super hard on D1 because i knew they'd just lynch me for it)

and that was the point where the entire scumteam jumped on my wagon

i'm honestly really not sure how titus didn't pick up on that VCA
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Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:46 pm

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it happens. sometimes players just need to take a step back and say "whoa, hold on a second, this doesn't feel right." your wagon obviously wasn't natural and was chaotically construed. inactivity was a large killer of this, i think, but i think that surface level explanations of why you could be scum perhaps might delve into that, too. i think you might have been a little too reactive at the same time towards players. as a good thing, it helped you develop your reads, but it made you come across as a pressured wolf at times. idk, like i said, you might get that one game where you get mislynched when you feel your obv villa.
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Post Post #1216 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:47 pm

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To be fair, yeah, your read were a problemmm

I feel like I played really well though, considering I had no confidence in my game.

Also on mathdino's wagon... that was all town, I was stepping as far away as that as I could.
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Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:48 pm

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In post 1207, Mathdino wrote:the "angry squelches" were admittedly a "don't mislynch me" ploy and that's legitimately what got me enough townreads to survive past D
did I ever ask anyone to not lynch me?
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Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:50 pm

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In post 1215, Killthestory wrote:it happens. sometimes players just need to take a step back and say "whoa, hold on a second, this doesn't feel right." your wagon obviously wasn't natural and was chaotically construed. inactivity was a large killer of this, i think, but i think that surface level explanations of why you could be scum perhaps might delve into that, too. i think you might have been a little too reactive at the same time towards players. as a good thing, it helped you develop your reads, but it made you come across as a pressured wolf at times. idk, like i said, you might get that one game where you get mislynched when you feel your obv villa.
it's just always the older players that scumread me and it's like
i can't please everyone even if i want to figure out how to

the town wasn't invested in this game at all and it showed

i think the geriatric ruleset attracted people who just shouldn't have been playing mafia in the first place
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Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:50 pm

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In post 1216, hebichan wrote:To be fair, yeah, your read were a problemmm

I feel like I played really well though, considering I had no confidence in my game.

Also on mathdino's wagon... that was all town, I was stepping as far away as that as I could.
i mean yeah you staying off my wagon the way you did was what made you obvscum to me in a way :P

i thought i'd be able to get at least a few votes on you D2 but loltowns
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Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:52 pm

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To be fair, if you check the scum topic, I was very specific on killing any really active players.
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Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:54 pm

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In post 9, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm town yeah
I legit targeted you because I figured you were the best one to help me get a handle on the game
lol gamma not picking me
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Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:07 pm

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If anything I'm surprised cooldog never hit any scum.

That would have changed the game considerably. The fact cooldog was basically a second scum kill every night was a huge help. Bonus points that sk normally went for my secondary targets.
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Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:10 pm

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Also molly not getting lynched when she slipped like three times with varsoon, and Elton always getting like so close to lynch after day 1. I setmyself up to bus Elton a few times and then for whatever reason someone else came up and I didn't have to.

I went after espionage and titus legit SK hunting.
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Post Post #1224 (ISO) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:29 pm

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oh right, the last thing, why I buddied mathdino so hard, I was going to use his team mafia play as an example of why he was town, as it was similar, but then I realized team mafia was ongoing, and that sort of failed... so I kinda just bsed it from there.
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