VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Bronya Zaychik]

Taly talk to Alisae, I think the plan for today is.
I RB, Cerb, Vanmar and Baku.

We then lynch Gamma and A50 can't act.
Then trackers/RBers hop onto Nancy.
But if I snapped the entire team scum can't even kill kek.

~B

Umm I wanna be in that hood. :/

[Chara]

I am guessing your only learning how to improve your playstyle from Eli and not your reads.

yep. i sure do suck at mafia.

Cerb: a good chunk of the Purple Heart scumread had to do with what i said earlier about the Shining Dreamers hammer. i thought it was likely Alisae was responsible somehow. with that actually in the hands of Almost (and god, is this his town meta), that falls apart. so what i have left is Alisae's play reminding me of eir scumgame with me, and no real reason to think Purple Heart is town beyond beeboy claiming the hydra is obvtown. the crusade against mastina is something Ali could easily do as scum. townreading it is really ridiculous to me.

and Maki hasn't explained if she agrees with that townread and why, which is what i'd really love to see from Maki and would really help me in figuring out that hydra. (<3) right now i just find myself disagreeing a lot with the beeboy side, and if they're town i just want to figure it out and stop worrying about it.

i have three locktown reads i stated earlier. Creature, RR, and Almost. there is absolutely no way any of these three are scum. (i also want Maki's opinion on this.)

Almost is town because he is. unless i really missed where someone figured out Almost quickhammered Shining Dreamers

before

he claimed he had. if he did, i'm an idiot, and please point it to me because i am very tired.
scum Almost could have killed Mark or left them alive, what he wouldn't do is kill Mark and then claim scum. (which, yes, he did.) scum Almost doesn't do what is almost-but-not-really a gamethrow, either.

town Almost makes really stupid hammers. scum Almost takes advantage of that town trait and uses it to get ahead. there's a difference, and this is the former. this is compounded by the fact that someone took his vote and roleblocked him this phase, which is the fastest way to make Almost lose interest in the game. it was annoying, because it meant i couldn't read him, but this whole thing fixed that rather nicely.
and finally, scum Almost only pretend to give up and say "lynch me".

if i'm wrong, i really am terrible at mafia. anyone who knows him well can weigh in on this, too.

[Chara]

ok, there's a small universe where scum Almost claims responsibility for the Shining Dreamers hammer in order to protect baku and munna, i'll concede to that. but, no, he's town. he'll be easy to lynch after i'm dead, though, so yay.
especially when it doesn't make sense for scum baku and munna to choose Maid Cafe to secretly hood then kill, when they could choose a player who is way less... ah, Cerb already explained this, i don't know why i'm doing this again.

back to lurking I go
if you have a question you need from the lurker head who just tells bee what to do in discord lmk
~Maki

me. meeeee.

[Maid Cafe]

you rang~
~Maki

[Chara]

see 3367. can you talk about your Alisae read for me, and the rest?

[Chara]

i'm at a position where i think Maid Cafe is probably town, but it's entirely based on how they've handled game mechanics, and good scum can navigate that just fine. it's easier if they're town, i want them to be town, but i can't believe it and with how much of a force beeboy is in this game i really just need to be confident in that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Game seems to have slowed down so I think I can start catching up again

[Taly]

Taly talk to Alisae, I think the plan for today is.
I RB, Cerb, Vanmar and Baku.

We then lynch Gamma and A50 can't act.
Then trackers/RBers hop onto Nancy.
But if I snapped the entire team scum can't even kill kek.

~B

Actually

Beeboy

,

Alisae

thinks

Venmar

is town, and we both think

Nancy

should be RBed instead of him.

see 3367. can you talk about your Alisae read for me, and the rest?

[Chara]

random: where'd your enthusiasm go? (not a jab, genuine question.)
do you have a readslist?

[Chara]

Taly, for the second time, i am not ignoring your head. i've played scum with Alisae, and Maki was the mod of that game. that's why i'm talking about Alisae and not Taly.

[Taly]

Taly, for the second time, i am not ignoring your head. i've played scum with Alisae, and Maki was the mod of that game. that's why i'm talking about Alisae and not Taly.

You're not ignoring my head? I couldn't tell.

Alisae:

Just tell

chara

there's nothing i can do to change their mins. Because at this point. They just want me to be scum. So...

Also,

Alisae's

in a hydra, if you didn't think so.

Do you really think someone's meta will be 100% the same in a completely different type of game, and when they're not playing independently?

[Chara]

Do you really think someone's meta will be 100% the same in a completely different type of game, and when they're not playing independently?

no.

[Taly]

Do you really think someone's meta will be 100% the same in a completely different type of game, and when they're not playing independently?

no.

Then I don't understand your specific scumread on

Alisae

.

I've lost the point in this conversation.

[Chara]

and because it apparently needs to be said, i don't tunnel. changing my mind is my damn brand. (unless it's a hard townread, then it isn't happening.) the purpose of asking Maki that question specifically is for her to tell me if i'm being dumb or if there might be value to it.

[Chara]

and no, it isn't just "meta". you may want to check back to the part of the game where your hydra was calling mastina obvscum in loud, distracting, repetitive ways such that listening to the read in a gamestate that lacked real counterwagons was the easiest option. and i'm not taking the quickhammer into account anymore, seeing as it was Almost who was responsible for that and scum had no way of knowing it would happen.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I did manage to read a bit last game night and from what I did read I feel a little less good about Bronya

[Maid Cafe]

I hard tr A50 and Alisae

Beeboy thinks Alisae is "town" and A50 is scum
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Also don't worry Chara if I'm scum I'll win so that's the good part! Because no one beats scum me....

no one

~Maki

[Chara]

Maki, is there a reason you're taking a major backseat this game? have you talked about it already?

pedit: :<

[Chara]

and i want to know

why

you hard townread Alisae.

[Maid Cafe]

Maki, is there a reason you're taking a major backseat this game? have you talked about it already?

pedit: :<

I mostly filter my thoughts to beeboy I've read the whole game I just don't really post and let bee do it and we talk about it.
I don't really have a big reason per say it's just nice to not be the head doing all the posting I guess? It's a nice break it's refreshing
Pedit: Alisae townread is meta and town for me I think Bee could explain his better

[Maid Cafe]

Like I don't think Alisae plays scum this way

[Taly]

and because it apparently needs to be said, i don't tunnel. changing my mind is my damn brand. (unless it's a hard townread, then it isn't happening.) the purpose of asking Maki that question specifically is for her to tell me if i'm being dumb or if there might be value to it.

Alisae:

Lol

chara

is tunneling. Like they are trying really hard. But that doesn't change the fact that they are in fact tunneling

btw I did manage to read a bit last game night and from what I did read I feel a little less good about Bronya

Elaborate on this.

[Chara]

Alisae: Lol chara is tunneling. Like they are trying really hard. But that doesn't change the fact that they are in fact tunneling

this isn't what tunneling is. bye.

Maki: can you explain to me the meta difference between this and Danganronpa? i was hoping there would be something besides meta, because right now i think Alisae can play like this as scum, and telling me it's meta when i can see a game where e appeared to have played like this, i really need more elaboration than a sentence if i'm going to be able to figure out anything. :<

[Maid Cafe]

u-u-uhhhh..
TAG BEEBOY YOU'RE IT
~Maki