Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Dunnstral]

Just feel like the play doesn't match the role, and for that, I lean scum.

I fake softed pr

[Prof Fridays]

good to see we're off to a roaring start to a fantastic day 7

Yeah, I'm still reading up. Hopefully will have something worthwhile to say tomorrow night.

Just feel like the play doesn't match the role, and for that, I lean scum.

I fake softed pr

Where?

[Punreader]

MOD: Need a 24-48 hour V/LA.

Need to recover from illness.

[Dunnstral]

Though that's not perfect and things start to fall apart balance wise in role madness games like this

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Hi. I sent a quest to wilky but it didn’t show up. Not sure if mod error or roleblocked.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

I want to see results and actions from ounreader and Wiley before I lay my cards on the table.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

PUNREADER

WILKY

[GuyInFreezer]

Day 7 opening post is fixed.

[Prof Fridays]

Cheers, GIF! Will have something to post this evening. Finally home from work.

[wilky]

Can confirm that I received a PM from the mod about the quest. I got no result from my cop but I also received something else in my pm that i'm going to ask the mod a question about before I post it in here.

Are we in mylo now? I'm still thinking that scum is in either of rmoj/dunn but I don't want to rush on a vote if this is mylo.

[Prof Fridays]

In theory it could be mylo if there's a 5-man scum team, but I would find that implausible based on what I've seen/read so far. And why the scum-read on RMOJ?

[wilky]

We still don't have a completed quest on d7

[Ankamius]

Did you get a PM about Alchemist21 being town?

[Prof Fridays]

Cheers, GIF! Will have something to post this evening. Finally home from work.

And I totally lied cuz I passed out shortly after this and only just woke up. Oh boy. Tomorrow it will have to be then! I have work in the morning again :-/

[Ankamius]

I promise I'll have stuff here at some point today.

[Prof Fridays]

Been working on this but didn't finish yesterday like I'd hoped. Working now. I have some thoughts but I want to finish reading before I post.

[Prof Fridays]

Is 6 vt really abnormal in a large game?

Not inherently so, but in this game it is more than I would anticipate for multiple reasons. Especially since if you call a power role claim pun, what you are effectively saying is that the town doesn't have that power, leaving the town

even weaker

than it already is.

In other words, 6 VTs would

not only

be a lower amount of power,

but also

mean one of our claimed powers isn't town, reducing our strength even further than it already would be.

Thus, why it is a reasonable assumption the last pun is in one of the VT claims.

Thought I'd note this. punreader is expounding on his theory here that scum must be one of the VTs. This made a lot of sense to me on the first read-through and I gave him a lot of towncred for it. However, we

know

scum have fake-claims given to them, given the Piper flip, right? I find it hard to believe a scum RB's fake claim is VT? Even if you take that maybe scum kept the flavor claim but swapped the role claim for VT, Trashcan Carla, Vault Tec Guy and Moe Cronin hardly seem like PR fake claims, unless even that was made-up, too (which I'll admit is possible but risky for all but the one who claimed VT last - which, admittedly I can't remember who that was atm).

[Prof Fridays]

Hm, yeah didn't glean a whole lot from reading up more, except that I'm more paranoid/less confident in my town reads.

*le sigh*

My best scum guess atm is Dunnstral. Even accounting for my theory above, Dunnstral DID just admit he fake-softed a PR.

FOS: Dunnstral

with intent to vote, pending further discussion. I feel a bit uneasy about voting too hastily, just in case.

Thoughts,

@Ankamius

?

[Punreader]

I am here and will be reading shortly.

[Punreader]

As I promised, I hid behind the Prof Fridays slot, when it was YT. I considered changing targets when YT replaced out because I felt his replace-out given his day-end content was something far more likely to come from town than pun, but opted not to given I didn't wish to change my target from my stated one.

Punreader was the only one that really cared enough to put a significant amount of effort in throughout the game, but I can vouch for them not really being around enough to continue it throughout day 6.

I do apologize for that, and am attempting to remedy that. I may or may not have plans for later; if I do not, I guarantee I'll make progress, though unfortunately, if I end up having plans later today, then I inevitably will not accomplish much. (I can only work with my schedule, and I feel I shouldn't need to say sorry if I end up choosing a real-life appointment over an online forum game. But if I can do things for this game today, I will.)

However, we

know

scum have fake-claims given to them, given the Piper flip, right? I find it hard to believe a scum RB's fake claim is VT? Even if you take that maybe scum kept the flavor claim but swapped the role claim for VT, Trashcan Carla, Vault Tec Guy and Moe Cronin hardly seem like PR fake claims, unless even that was made-up, too (which I'll admit is possible but risky for all but the one who claimed VT last - which, admittedly I can't remember who that was atm).

I am, admittedly, unfamiliar with the flavor. However, my guess would be precisely what you said: they have a PR fakeclaim they opted not to use.

It is not out of the question, however, for an excessively-punny role to be given a fakeclaim lacking this aspect. For instance, MariaR's role included a strongman; this detail would definitely be absent from her mod-provided safeclaim.

Another possibility you overlook is that Ventriloquist's role, bodyswapper, was likely given a VT safeclaim; it is fairly viable for the last pun to simply use Ventriloquist's safeclaim. We wouldn't be able to tell the difference because safeclaims didn't flip with the lynches.

Reads list summary (from most town-y to most scummy):

punreader
REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE
Ankamius
Alchemist21
Wilky
Dunnstral

This is actually almost my reads list.
I would place Prof Fridays at around Ankamius's level, maybe slightly below (let's say taking Alchemist's place since sure, why not; he's dead), but this list neatly mirrors my sentiments.

[Ankamius]

I assume that means you changed your mind on Dunnstral?

[Punreader]

I assume that means you changed your mind on Dunnstral?

Loosely, yes.

He's my best guess, but that doesn't mean a whole lot given I'm 0-2 in terms of previous best guesses.

I do feel it's important to note for those (such as myself) that wish to (re)read the entire game that when doing so, there are two possible gamestates:
The pun knowing wilky is town and that both millers are town,
Or that the pun knew davesaz was town and that wilky was not.

I still find the former more likely overall given how early D1 played out, but the latter needs to be considered when running through interactions.

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral DID just admit he fake-softed a PR.

Uh...

[Ankamius]

REALMEN is town
Prof Fridays is town

wilky is... eh?

Punreader is scummy
Dunnstral is scummy

that's my contribution

[Dunnstral]

Wilky is scummy but we're not lynching them for role related reasons