Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

and RC, no one is preventing you from playing the game, we are just preventing you from taking control.
If you want wraith dead, you'll make a case and discuss it with everyone instead of shoving "he's scum" down everyone's throats.

[Kokichi Oma]

Why not lynch dave and vig wraith? Everyone happy

[Ankamius]

I'm not convinced on Dave at all.

[OnTheMark]

Why not lynch dave and vig wraith? Everyone happy

I am okay with this if Dave flips town.

If Dave flips scum please vig RC.

[Impossibear]

what if I'm town and you're planning all of your little games around trying to fuck with someone who is town and tired of getting fucked with

This seems familiar.

Let me make this easy.

ETL who are we lynching?

Honestly dude... I think davesaz is town. But I 100% follow your logic on why the information dictates he should be lynched. Under normal circumstances.

This game = not normal circumstances.

And given your night action reveal, I now firmly believe that not only is there NOT additional protection for town, but we were absolutely shot last night. To me, that says it's either Ouroboros or RMOJ as the culprit there, as they are really the only ones who would dictate such a move on N1. Given Ouroboros behavior this entire game, and RMOJ's claim/quest, I'm personally leaning towards it being more likely Ouroboros, especially given the fact that "super town #1 scumhunter" decided that me, MWNN and RMOJ were scum, and so far I know for a fact that 2 of those 3 is incorrect. If the quest pans out, it basically conftowns RMOJ because that effect really doesn't benefit scum

at all

to confirm a town player publicly. So it's only a matter of time before that is a thing, and I can see why preventing the quest completion would be scum-goal summo prioritate today. <<< That's what you should be looking out for, and anyone doing so, whether deliberately or "by accident" is dying pronto.

I think wilky is probably town. I think MariaR so isn't, and I don't understand the town reads there

at all

. I also think the fake mason claim with Ouroboros was scummy as fuck and potentially could have outed any real masons if any existed. I think the way things are looking, we probably don't have any and we got lucky there. But the problem exists that both players would have and should have known that was a possibility.

I'm conflicted on Ankamius who did fuck all for most of the first day but later seemed to become more engaged. Whether that is because she finally got interested once more info became available or because her team is getting closer to being discovered, I honestly have no idea.

Jingle thinks tchill is scum, I agree. He disappeared and we still haven't been answered regarding who he supposedly hid behind last night. And now we're waiting on a replacement. Who knows what will happen there. I believe that's a great and viable lynch slot for today.

Dunnstral is all kinds of wtf for me. No idea. Could lynch. Whatever.

Don't know on Kokichi.

Alchemist and pmatt both town imo.

And that's all I've got. These are my personal reads. Both Jingle and I have been super busy lately and haven't had a chance all last week or over the weekend to really connect on anything. So.. take that as you will.

ETL

p-edit: Too much shit to read, more ego-boosting, blah blah. I'll read later. I do have to get back to work now.

[Kokichi Oma]

Mark

You understand that your case on Dave isn't very good, right?

Disregard onthemark, acquire wraith lynch

This was funny though hahaha

[Impossibear]

Why not lynch dave and vig wraith? Everyone happy

Oh yeah wraith. I've had a scumread on that slot since D1.

[Impossibear]

And Ramcius seems like.. lynchbait townie tbh.

Who else have I missed?

[Kokichi Oma]

Why not lynch dave and vig wraith? Everyone happy

I am okay with this if Dave flips town.

If Dave flips scum please vig RC.

Can everyone agree to this

[Ouroboros]

Why not lynch dave and vig wraith? Everyone happy

Oh yeah wraith. I've had a scumread on that slot since D1.

Wow we could be on the same wagon this is amazing

[Kokichi Oma]

@kaede

[OnTheMark]

what if I'm town and you're planning all of your little games around trying to fuck with someone who is town and tired of getting fucked with

This seems familiar.

Let me make this easy.

ETL who are we lynching?

Honestly dude... I think davesaz is town. But I 100% follow your logic on why the information dictates he should be lynched. Under normal circumstances.

This game = not normal circumstances.

And given your night action reveal, I now firmly believe that not only is there NOT additional protection for town, but we were absolutely shot last night. To me, that says it's either Ouroboros or RMOJ as the culprit there, as they are really the only ones who would dictate such a move on N1. Given Ouroboros behavior this entire game, and RMOJ's claim/quest, I'm personally leaning towards it being more likely Ouroboros, especially given the fact that "super town #1 scumhunter" decided that me, MWNN and RMOJ were scum, and so far I know for a fact that 2 of those 3 is incorrect. If the quest pans out, it basically conftowns RMOJ because that effect really doesn't benefit scum

at all

to confirm a town player publicly. So it's only a matter of time before that is a thing, and I can see why preventing the quest completion would be scum-goal summo prioritate today. <<< That's what you should be looking out for, and anyone doing so, whether deliberately or "by accident" is dying pronto.

I think wilky is probably town. I think MariaR so isn't, and I don't understand the town reads there

at all

. I also think the fake mason claim with Ouroboros was scummy as fuck and potentially could have outed any real masons if any existed. I think the way things are looking, we probably don't have any and we got lucky there. But the problem exists that both players would have and should have known that was a possibility.

I'm conflicted on Ankamius who did fuck all for most of the first day but later seemed to become more engaged. Whether that is because she finally got interested once more info became available or because her team is getting closer to being discovered, I honestly have no idea.

Jingle thinks tchill is scum, I agree. He disappeared and we still haven't been answered regarding who he supposedly hid behind last night. And now we're waiting on a replacement. Who knows what will happen there. I believe that's a great and viable lynch slot for today.

Dunnstral is all kinds of wtf for me. No idea. Could lynch. Whatever.

Don't know on Kokichi.

Alchemist and pmatt both town imo.

And that's all I've got. These are my personal reads. Both Jingle and I have been super busy lately and haven't had a chance all last week or over the weekend to really connect on anything. So.. take that as you will.

ETL

p-edit: Too much shit to read, more ego-boosting, blah blah. I'll read later. I do have to get back to work now.

So if you follow my logic on why Dave should be lynched then we are lynching Dave yes?

[Kokichi Oma]

Bear are you a BP vig? If so I now understand why you're conflicted

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Wraith

I just don't see Dave being scum and rb on him is very weak argument, we aren't in such dire state to go after him and we can lynch someone we scumread instaed

[Impossibear]

So if you follow my logic on why Dave should be lynched then we are lynching Dave yes?

Just because I follow the logic doesn't mean I believe it is sound given the other information ITT. As far as who we are lynching, to be quite honest with you, I don't care and I was done making any arguments for who we should lynch as of end of D1.

Whoever gets to L-1, gets our hammer. So if this is the lynch you want, you gotta work for it. I have no say here.

ETL

[OnTheMark]

So if you follow my logic on why Dave should be lynched then we are lynching Dave yes?

Just because I follow the logic doesn't mean I believe it is sound given the other information ITT. As far as who we are lynching, to be quite honest with you, I don't care and I was done making any arguments for who we should lynch as of end of D1.

Whoever gets to L-1, gets our hammer. So if this is the lynch you want, you gotta work for it. I have no say here.

ETL

So let me get this straight:

You scumread Ouroboros and townread us yet you’re giving what we say equal credence to someone who you think killed you? Am I understanding you correctly?

[Ouroboros]

'equal credence'

Aka I should be completely ignored because I

might be scum

[Impossibear]

Bear are you a BP vig? If so I now understand why you're conflicted

Yes, if you missed that - we are bulletproof. So the scum team has two options - if they have a strongman, they need to use it on us to get rid of us, or attempt to get us lynched, and that makes perfect sense to me theme-wise. Our BP is why Jingle believes the scumteam does indeed have a strongman role, as it would be pretty unfair otherwise.

So if you follow my logic on why Dave should be lynched then we are lynching Dave yes?

Just because I follow the logic doesn't mean I believe it is sound given the other information ITT. As far as who we are lynching, to be quite honest with you, I don't care and I was done making any arguments for who we should lynch as of end of D1.

Whoever gets to L-1, gets our hammer. So if this is the lynch you want, you gotta work for it. I have no say here.

ETL

So let me get this straight:

You scumread Ouroboros and townread us yet you’re giving what we say equal credence to someone who you think killed you? Am I understanding you correctly?

If you were here on D1, you'd have a better idea of why I'm not bothering to make any strong arguments right now. I'm not interested in further abuse from a specific slot in this game.

[OnTheMark]

Fuck it. Scum can’t strongman if I block them.

I go first in NAR order.

Hence why I don’t believe any other protectives exist. I disable strongman.

I am sick and tired of strongman being an argument. Especially when RC said scum would have used it last night. They probably did.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Fuck it. Scum can’t strongman if I block them.

????

[Impossibear]

So let me get this straight:

You scumread Ouroboros and townread us yet you’re giving what we say equal credence to someone who you think killed you? Am I understanding you correctly?

To be perfectly clear, we had them as our strongest townread on D1. That read has gotten murkier throughout this day. I'm maintaining they are likely town for the time being. I believe whatever today's flip is will hopefully give us more of an idea on their alignment, as well as any actions that resolve over the night phase. I'm basically reserving our read until we have more information. My personal paranoias and speculation, aside.

p-edit: Yes, that's true.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles,

nor by Roleblocks

.

[OnTheMark]

Fuck it. Scum can’t strongman if I block them.

????

I am strong strong.

My modifier is I go first no matter what in NAR.

Literally nothing stops my block.

A strongman scum loses to me and shot still doesn’t go off.

[OnTheMark]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles,

nor by Roleblocks

.

My role PM explicitly says NAR like that is not used.

[Ankamius]

Kokichi join us on Dunnstral