Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

[Wisdom]

i still don't get why random kept tw over wheme
Nancy was scumreading both wheme and shoshin, it would just double our possibilities
Not to mention gladiate vs useless voyeur

[the worst]

Huge commendations to Shoshin for her read accuracy, though. there's a lot of aspects of being good at town, but read accuracy is a glorious one and your instincts here were dynamite. yeah, I was a little unfair with the way I positioned the rest of the town in the 5p Lylo and probably should have encouraged we all had a rest and a cuppa tea rather than pushing the "she sucks but she's town" narrative. sorry if you took offense at it, I definitely was sad to see Nancy genuinely offended.

I accept your apology and kind words.

<3

[Shoshin]

i still don't get why random kept tw over wheme
Nancy was scumreading both wheme and shoshin, it would just double our possibilities
Not to mention gladiate vs useless voyeur

I think he was trying to avoid killing me.

[Shoshin]

Wheme also suspected Random to some degree, so Random knew that's two townies potentially voting him.

[Wisdom]

wheme ended day saying its you+tw, so

tw on the other hand on numerous occasions figured that the case on you just doesnt have legs

[Shoshin]

Wheme's votes were whimsical and he scumread me for a second before he realized I was the one defending Sajj... but generally he townread me and scumread Random... I'm just speculating about what went through Random's mind, not saying it was the right kill.

Also, re: bodyguard - I think our mod was in the best position to observe the game and evaluate the bodyguard play so maybe give what he's saying some credit.

[Scioness Sajj]

sajj don't be afraid of what town will think of you. That was silly. Just be honest.
Also you should have insisted more about the redirect thing. You were basically conftown yet you got lynched.

i'm not sure what you are referring to, what was silly?
at first, i didn't claim because i thought i might get night killed, then, at the eotd, i wanted to reaction test but in the end i did nothing with that.

yeah, you are right i should have pushed the redirect thing (though i don't think it would get me far considering i got n1 action on d4 and for some reason people were thinking that novice was also a fakeclaim), but i got upset and if you and the worst still had votes on me when i was pushing for gladiate i would have hammered myself out of spite.

[Ankamius]

Shrug

I got what I needed to this game so

[Nancy Drew 39]

i still don't get why random kept tw over wheme
Nancy was scumreading both wheme and shoshin, it would just double our possibilities
Not to mention gladiate vs useless voyeur

No it was smart because it helped with the scumdoc WIFOM. I would have been far more suspicious of you, random if Wheme hadn’t died. I doubt that I would have ever even seriously considered mislynching Shoshin otherwise because it either furthered that WIFOM or frame. Killing the worst would have taken suspicion off of Shoshin, because if scumdoc, Wheme was her most logical target.

[the worst]

what threw me about the claim was like, at first you hardsofted vig which was fine and given 1shot thing was a clever way to eat a nk off another tpr

then suddenly you claimed novice and we talked around the probability of your role and you still didn't claim 1 shot

then suddenly you claimed 1 shot

admittedly if I'd taken more time to evaluate I probably should've realised that you were tryna eat a night kill by remaining sketchy on the details, but from where I sat it looked like a scum 1 shot vig somethingorother fakeclaiming

[Wisdom]

I just couldn't leave my vote on you, you were so town

Your thing with the shots ended up being good. Part of why i comfortably lynched chick was the fact that i was sure youd kill shoshin. But in other circumstances you should have probably claimed you cant kill shoshin right there. If you really did it because you thought town wouldn't believe you, it was silly.

@sajj

[Wisdom]

oh also guys
My claim was so bs
I literally made it up from reading what my character was in labyrinth
I was surprised nobody questioned it

[Wisdom]

and I wonder what rc expected the traitor to claim, especially if he had to before everyone else had claimed

[Shoshin]

Vanilla?

[Shoshin]

You could have claimed miller safely. I probably would have believed it because it would have seemed so unlikely for scum to claim at that point.

[Wisdom]

miller is claimed d1, else its scumclaim
vanilla would not be believable with everyone else a pr

[Shoshin]

That sounds like another stupid role rule.

[Shoshin]

I mean, I understand why you claim miller on D1, but is that really the ideal way to play it? I'm not sure.

[Shoshin]

I also feel like a lone vanilla is believable. Why not? The token vanilla.

[the worst]

1) The game is non-bastard and role madness.

Vanilla claim in role madness is a little on the nose
I wonder if you can actually have vanillas in role madness? lol

[MathBlade]

That sounds like another stupid role rule.

It’s a well published role rule on the wiki

It’s to prevent scum from claiming it later if they get checked.

There’s no town benefit to not claiming miller.

If you forget you just have to hope you’re not copped

The wiki should also add “Not allowed to forget/rescind a Miller claim too”

Not saying I have done this (looks around nervously)

[the worst]

<_<;;
>_>;;

the optimal play guidelines on the wiki are pretty helpful. not necessarily to blindly sheep but at least to think about.

[Shoshin]

I understand why the miller rule exists, but I'm just saying it's not always the best play. Claiming miller D1 hurts town because it narrows down the valuable PRs, so there's situations where I probably wouldn't claim (e.g. if I knew the playerlist well enough to trust them to townread me). It's a risky move that I think everyone should try at least once in their lives.

[Shoshin]

Also, claiming on D1 attracts needless suspicion. It puts a lot of pressure on the player to obvtown their slot.

[Shoshin]

Where are these optimal play guidelines? I haven't seen them.