Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

[Scioness Sajj]

im back and will most liekly catch up now

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i don't think Nico scumreads Reality as much as she is afraid of unchecked Mastina running around.

[GuyInFreezer]

From what I read in small time Anka looks town?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, please talk to me about your TP/letters read as well as your reads on the worst and Reality. It would be really helpful if you can address my analysis and convince me that the worst and Reality are town.

I have been hardtown reading the worst from the getgo. There is a natural thought progression in all of his posts. Also, Creature put him as his only official top town. He did something very similar in a game I player with him as scum. His whole thought progression on Creature started out as wanting to townread him to eventually deciding that he wasn’t playing to his town meta in this game. As for Really, Creature initially had them as town but didn’t uncross them off their readslist. Other than that, the worst’s ISO speaks for itself.

As far as random is concerned, I. think he’s probably town. Like I said, I think that Creature and Angel are w/w but that Creature and random cannot be because Angel outright calls random scum. If Creature flips scum, then Angel is the next clear logical lynch. If (highly unlikel IMO) he flips town, then TP/letters is the next most logical lynch. My current POE is TP/letters, Creature, Angel and not sure on the fourth yet.

[Randomnamechange]

R.E. the case.
i will consider the case to be a milkstool. it has three legs. my read on creature, psych eval, and peripheral reads.
to begin with the main point. i know how shit creature is as playing as scum. why do i go to these lengths to avoid his lynch? as RC said, people are more likely to try and get credit off of a creature lynch than bother defending him. this point just doesn't work as an indicator of me.
on another note, i reacted the exact same way to nico's play in spring fever where they were scum and shouted me down over me pushing them for inactivity. nico is prolly town but i was not going to let them get away with lurking to victory again.
thirdly, at EoD yesterday i had a scumread n tpf and ambivalence towards creature. i thought a tpf wagon had more support than it did. calling me out for not voting someone i wasnt scumreading is kinda ridiculous.
also my flip on renais was bc someone cased them and i agreed with the case.
first my continuation of my nico scumread despite contrary evidence was scummy
now me changing my mind when alternate info was presented in scummy.
shoshin is trying to find anything they can to paint me as scum regardless of its accuracy or cognitive dissonance. more later.

[the worst]

Baby with power commands you to lynch here. Baby with power will inv. anyone who doesn't.

Nah. I think Creature and Angel are w/w. I don’t think random and Angel are w/w.

[the worst]

for the record I'm also in a PT with Creature as a result of the masquerade thing and I'm begging him not to be scum and getting nothing

Guys I'm shook

[NicoRobin]

I am in a PT with GiF and he's not talking in there either.

[Scioness Sajj]

i'm not sure if Taly is aware we share a pt

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh that PT is unauthorized for me.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also what is this creature/arc w/w

If that w means wolf, AA9 is defo town here.

[Shoshin]

If that w means wolf, AA9 is defo town here.

Why?

[Creature]

Not been feeling inspired enough to play this game lately

[Creature]

Also, I'm not one to use PTs tbh

[Reality Check]

Hi GIF

Did you see my reads

[Scioness Sajj]

page 43

i think i might be coming around to tring soshin
random is fine, rest didn't really change

[Scioness Sajj]

nvm read 1068

[Scioness Sajj]

There's lots of games where town lynched scum and scum still won... so fucking what? There's also lots of games where town lynched for information and scum won. That's a terrible way to determine whether the logic itself is pro-scum or pro-town and whether it's more likely to be pushed by scum or more likely to be pushed by town.

My point is that the logic is pushed by scum more often than it's pushed by town because it's an easy way to push for mislynches as well as an easy way to keep scum partners alive for longer. It's especially harmful to a town that just mislynched or a town that no lynched - as we did. I've even pushed this logic before as scum, with the specific intent of saving partners and delaying the town from doing anything helpful to their causes. As a matter of theory, the best town play on any given day is lynching scum, because the longer a scum player is alive, the more power scum has, period. You weaken scum by lynching them, and the weaker they are, the more chance town has of winning because there's less ability for scum to manipulate town in the night and day. Towns win by lynching the player most likely to be scum, not by lynching the player most likely to give you "information" (what the fuck does that even mean in this context?) - and the fact you're pushing this logic is scummy, regardless of your actual alignment or theoretical beliefs about how to play mafia.

As for the idea that this playerlist won't come together, that's a bullshit way to think about this game and it's especially manipulative in this instance - the town isn't coming together regardless of who we lynch because we've got a bunch of shit posters, you (incompetent town or scum), the worst (incompetent town or scum), and so here we are, arguing about dumb things instead of talking about things that matter, like Random's alignment, or Sajj's alignment. You guys would rather vote me for voicing a completely reasonable theoretical point about how to play the game instead of working together to solve the alignment of players who are escaping notice while doing some pretty suspect things? Okay... Sure, this town is fucked if that's the case.

I'm going to try working with the people I think are town - at the moment, that's Nancy and Nico - and if you're town hopefully you'll get on board and start working with us to figure out alignments.

jesus

alright I'll pick this apart and respond to this piece by piece

if you still wanna do it i would read your response

[Scioness Sajj]

okay im not posting before im done rereading

[Scioness Sajj]

if aa9 is scum so is por
perhaps,

[Scioness Sajj]

Soshin are your reads in order in the sections in 1152?

[WhemeStar]

IM SO LOSTTT

AT LEAST IM CONF TOWN

[Scioness Sajj]

aren't we all

[Shoshin]

Soshin are your reads in order in the sections in 1152?

Roughly.

[Reality Check]

im back and will most liekly catch up now

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i don't think Nico scumreads Reality as much as she is afraid of unchecked Mastina running around.

true

There's lots of games where town lynched scum and scum still won... so fucking what? There's also lots of games where town lynched for information and scum won. That's a terrible way to determine whether the logic itself is pro-scum or pro-town and whether it's more likely to be pushed by scum or more likely to be pushed by town.

My point is that the logic is pushed by scum more often than it's pushed by town because it's an easy way to push for mislynches as well as an easy way to keep scum partners alive for longer. It's especially harmful to a town that just mislynched or a town that no lynched - as we did. I've even pushed this logic before as scum, with the specific intent of saving partners and delaying the town from doing anything helpful to their causes. As a matter of theory, the best town play on any given day is lynching scum, because the longer a scum player is alive, the more power scum has, period. You weaken scum by lynching them, and the weaker they are, the more chance town has of winning because there's less ability for scum to manipulate town in the night and day. Towns win by lynching the player most likely to be scum, not by lynching the player most likely to give you "information" (what the fuck does that even mean in this context?) - and the fact you're pushing this logic is scummy, regardless of your actual alignment or theoretical beliefs about how to play mafia.

As for the idea that this playerlist won't come together, that's a bullshit way to think about this game and it's especially manipulative in this instance - the town isn't coming together regardless of who we lynch because we've got a bunch of shit posters, you (incompetent town or scum), the worst (incompetent town or scum), and so here we are, arguing about dumb things instead of talking about things that matter, like Random's alignment, or Sajj's alignment. You guys would rather vote me for voicing a completely reasonable theoretical point about how to play the game instead of working together to solve the alignment of players who are escaping notice while doing some pretty suspect things? Okay... Sure, this town is fucked if that's the case.

I'm going to try working with the people I think are town - at the moment, that's Nancy and Nico - and if you're town hopefully you'll get on board and start working with us to figure out alignments.

jesus

alright I'll pick this apart and respond to this piece by piece

if you still wanna do it i would read your response

I did, it's the huge wall I made at some point slightly after that

[Scioness Sajj]

to be quite frank with you

it looks like you are interacting with people to the point you can get a scumread on them and you cling to that.

p.edit to Shoshin