SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Shoshin]

Why'd TBG die?

[Vaxkiller]

I have content to respond to, which I will in circa 12 hours.
DO NOT END THE DAY BEFORE I CAN EXPLAIN WHY I AM DOING THIS AND GIVE RESPONSES TO THE RESPONSES TO MY READS.

Claim: Conditional Bulletproof/Conditional Vigilante; the conditions are inverses.

I actually lied.
I DO have a conditional bulletproof, but it only protects me from those who are ranked HIGHER; I was aiming for an ungated Vig, with the illusion of being bp.

To explain, I can kill people ranked lower than I am, but they can kill me; I can't kill people ranked higher than me, but they can't kill me.

This is why PenguinPower is literally a punclaim.

Details for everything in 12 hours.

[Commander Shepard]

let's do thisssssssss

scores are approximate since the double-weighted scores are not an exact doubling of themselves (evidenced by Pine's slot; to get his average he'd have needed a 0 from Reuben/Lovebird which we know is not correct).
even so these are probably close enough to the actual scores that I'm feeling comfortable.

Position	Name	Rank
1st	Chara	8.29
2nd	the worst	7.19
3rd	Taly	6.71
4th	TehBrawlGuy	6.29
5th	Dunnstral	6.25
6th	Punreader	6.06
7th	Nahdia	6.00
8th	DeasVail	5.56
9th	Espeonage	5.56
10th	Shoshin	5.44
11th	MariaR	5.38
12th	Pine	4.94
13th	ManWithNoName	4.75
14th	Fire Assassin	4.71
15th	Vaxkiller	4.13
16th	PenguinPower	4.06
17th	Lovebird	2.00
18th	NicoRobin	1.63

Spoiler: data tabled (more #aesthetic than useful but....fight me)

X axis : receiver of score
Y axis : giver of score

	RECEIVER
GIVER	TehBrawlGuy	Taly	Punreader	MariaR	DeasVail	Espeonage	Dunnstral	Nahdia	the worst	Pine	Shoshin	Fire Assassin	Lovebird	Chara	ManWithNoName	Vaxkiller	PenguinPower	NicoRobin
TehBrawlGuy	10	1	10	8	5	0	9	6	2	10	7	4	5	6	3	4	0	0
Taly	5	10	10	6	6	0	2	4	9	5	8	1	3	10	7	0	0	4
Punreader	0	10	10	6	4	6	9	8	5	0	7	5	2	10	1	4	0	3
MariaR	9	4	10	10	5	10	5	0	8	2	4	3	0	6	6	1	7	0
DeasVail	3	10	10	0	10	2	4	5	9	4	8	5	1	6	7	6	0	0
Espeonage	9	8	4	5	6	10	10	4	7	0	3	0	1	5	2	10	6	0
Dunnstral	2	9	7	6	4	8	10	5	5	4	3	10	0	10	6	0	1	0
Nahdia	4	5	10	3	5	6	2	10	7	4	6	9	1	10	0	0	8	0
the worst	6	10	5	8	6	9	2	7	10	4	3	1	0	10	0	4	5	0
Pine	10	9	0					0		10		8		10			0
Shoshin	8	10	5	0	6	3	6	4	9	1	10	2	0	10	7	5	0	4
Fire Assassin	8	2	3	9	5	0	4	10	7	4	6	10	1	10	6	0	4	0
Lovebird
Chara	10	10	8	6	5	4	5	9	7	0	6	4	3	10	0	0	2	1
ManWithNoName	10	10	4	1	0	0	6	5	7	4	8	5	3	9	10	6	0	2
Vaxkiller	0	0	7	0	6	4	2	10	5	10	4	9	5	3	6	10	8	1
PenguinPower	9	0	0	10	8	7	10	3	6	2	4	4	5	0	5	6	10	1
NicoRobin	4	6	0	8	8	20	14	12	12	20	0	0	2	16	10	10	18	10
	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE	AVERAGE
	6.29	6.71	6.06	5.38	5.56	5.56	6.25	6.00	7.19	4.94	5.44	4.71	2.00	8.29	4.75	4.13	4.06	1.63
	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS	TENS
	4	7	6	2	1	3	3	3	1	4	1	2	0	9	2	3	1	1
	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES	ZEROES
	2	2	3	3	1	4	0	2	0	3	1	2	4	1	3	5	7	8
unaccounted votes	1	1	1	2	2	2	2	1	2	1	2	1	2	1	2	2	1	2
unaccounted points	???	???	???	???	???	???	???	???	???	0	???	???	???	???	???	???	???	11
av. unacc. score	???	???	???	???	???	???	???	???	???	0	???	???	???	???	???	???	???	5.5

According to this yes? But we are close

@Vax they modified it to be what I said they said something else at the start

[Shoshin]

Dunnstral: From play I strongly think that Dunn is town.

Why?

[Shoshin]

Have we killed any scum yet?

[Shoshin]

Fuck, this game is going badly.

[Commander Shepard]

Why'd TBG die?

Guessing scum shot them?

So if Shoshin and Vax are lying and scum Lightning rodded that makes sense
If Vax is scum who shot me and used a universal kill doc on me to create chaos or just outright lying

But it looks like the people I am scumreading are indeed scum.

[Shoshin]

Shepard, any reason we should believe you over believing that you're scum who got caught lying about his role?

[Vaxkiller]

be back in a bit playing dota.

There were 2 kills right? So how do you exaplin lighting rod again?

[Shoshin]

There were 2 kills right? So how do you exaplin lighting rod again?

lol...

[Commander Shepard]

Shepard, any reason we should believe you over believing that you're scum who got caught lying about his role?

Because we have two choices

One of which is we mislynch me and then you have to.

Or you just do.

Especially since Dunnstral is in that damn hood and can back up the fact I asked to die
Then there was the whole I crumbed it

Not dying after crumbing you would die is a stupid scum move

Who here thinks I am stupid as scum?

[Commander Shepard]

There were 2 kills right? So how do you exaplin lighting rod again?

lol...

One was Taly would was delayed scum kill probably

Second is probably scum.

Like Vax and Shoshin and ManWithNoName aggro me to get me to post for pages.

[Commander Shepard]

Like strong willed kill explains why cops aren’t dead it just fits.

But only if Shoshin is scum so we have circled back to me v Shoshin damn it.

[Shoshin]

Shepard, any reason we should believe you over believing that you're scum who got caught lying about his role?

Because we have two choices

One of which is we mislynch me and then you have to.

Or you just do.

Especially since Dunnstral is in that damn hood and can back up the fact I asked to die
Then there was the whole I crumbed it

Not dying after crumbing you would die is a stupid scum move

Who here thinks I am stupid as scum?

I have a problem with the story you're telling.

You say you wanted to be shot, right?

But neither town nor scum willingly allow themselves to die.

So I suspect you asked to be shot knowing that you'd live.

And if you knew you'd live, then you're lying about wanting to die.

And if you're lying about, you're probably scum. Because why would town lie about that?

Scum would lie about it to create enough chaos to potentially avoid getting lynched (and to direct a mislynch).

As for whether you're stupid, I don't think creating chaos is a stupid scum strategy. And either way, talking about whether you're too stupid to do someting as scum is WIFOM because you're smart enough to manipulate that sort of thing (i.e. it's never stupid if you can use it as a reason to argue that you're town).

So, easy call here.

VOTE: Commander Shepard

[Shoshin]

I think I made a case on Shepard yesterday via behaviors. It's probably sound, and his decisions in the night phase and today confirm that.

[Shoshin]

Like, Shepard saying he wants to die but then not actually dying is pretty strong evidence that he had no intention of ever dying and was instead trying to fake some sort of non-survivalistic town-tell.

[Shoshin]

This is a game that I am in yes.
Don't know where I want my vote out of CS or Sho I liked Sho more than CS the day before but CS is much better today

How is CS better today?

He says he wanted to die but didn't.

You think that's townie?

[Dunnstral]

Is there a role that would allow Shepard to live when shot twice?

commuter
hider
full mafia bulletproof

[Dunnstral]

be back in a bit playing dota.

There were 2 kills right? So how do you exaplin lighting rod again?

Taly has a special role and was shot night 1, the kill was delayed

[Commander Shepard]

Is there a role that would allow Shepard to live when shot twice?

commuter
hider
full mafia bulletproof

Or ya know
Punreader blocked and Vax is a liar

I will be out all day y’all.

Like Shoshin and Vax are obvious

[Vaxkiller]

Don't hammer, I want to hear from Pun before we do.

[Errantparabola]

Prodding Punreader and Fire Assassin

Votecount 3.5

Commander Shepard

(4): Fire Assassin, Dunnstral, Shoshin, Vaxkiller

Shoshin

(3): Punreader, the worst, Commander Shepard

Fire Assassin

(1): Espeonage

Not Voting

(4): MariaR, Chara, DeasVail, ManWithNoName

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-21 13:08:00)

[Vaxkiller]

Shoshin (3): Punreader, the worst, Commander Shepard

Look at that sketchy ass wagon!

[the worst]

Shoshin (3): Punreader, the worst, Commander Shepard

Look at that sketchy ass wagon!

Commander Shepard (4): Fire Assassin, Dunnstral, Shoshin, Vaxkiller

Scuse u?

Dunn is the only player on his wagon I like on CShep. This whole situation is gross af.

who is willing to give me a sheepable position on this night action shit? I don't wanna check out of this game mentally but I'm close.

[Shoshin]

You should look at my recent post voting for Shepard.