SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[DeasVail]

I will confirm where I stand, answer questions and make a vote this afternoon. Thanks for your patience.

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 6.3

Ankamius

(1): Shoshin

Punreader

(1): Vaxkiller

No Lynch

(1): Punreader

Not Voting

(2): DeasVail, Ankamius

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-09-02 20:52:00)

[Vaxkiller]

Ank's logic:

"The scum would want to lynch Pun, so I'm going to say the scum are the people who have been pushing for Pun's lynch. But if I were scum, I wouldn't want to lynch Pun in this situation."

Ank thinks it's scummy to lynch Pun, so she's intentionally doing the opposite. The scummy part is that when I called her on this, she says that even if she were scum she wouldn't be pushing Pun, which shows that her scumhunting logic comes from a scum perspective rather than a town one.

I'm with you, but can we plz lunch pun first, I don't want to take that chance. pun today and tomorrow and town win

[Vaxkiller]

Google auto corrects lynch to lunch apparently

[DeasVail]

Hey Shoshin, in answer to your questions:

For more on my early read of Espe, 1038 probably says most of what there is to be said on the topic.

Regarding my townread on you.

First, trust me. I've tried very hard to scumread you. I've wanted to scumread you so badly. One of the weaknesses in my town play (even when I'm at the top of my game) is that I often rely on people's reads on me to guide my reads on them. It's probably because, deep down, I'm kind of self-consumed. Maybe we all are. I don't know and now this is getting more philosophical than I intended it to be so I'll stop. But basically your turnaround on me set my self-consumed alarm bells on red alert and I was all like "SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT".

But the more I try and scumread you, the more I find reasons to think you're actually town.

At least over the last couple of game days, there's been an almost haphazard aspect to your opinions. You will have posts that give the strong impression that you are scumreading a particular player, and then only shortly afterwards you'll confidently state that someone else is scum. At one point on Day 5 you stubbornly parked a vote on me saying that it would stay there, only to end up joining the worst's wagon (when in all likelihood you could have just stubbornly tunneled me with less risk). Now, this sort of play could easily come from scum, but based on your play here, I don't think it fits with

your

play as scum. Because despite this haphazardness, much of your approach to the game has been logical. Such that if you were scum it would have to be incredibly well thought out, and if you were taking that incredibly well thought out logical approach as scum, you probably wouldn't be as haphazard with your opinions as you have been.

Also when I made my larger post commenting on your suspicion of me, with this post also expressing suspicion of you, your response to that actually made me think you were town. I forget the exact reasons why, but I might have gone over it in an earlier post.

As I've indicated to you before, I'm not sure that you're town. I don't think you're as clear as you think, but I think you're probably town.
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VOTE: Ankamius

[DeasVail]

Also

How can I convince you all that Espeonage is scum and needs 0s?
Ill take a 0 if thats what it takes.

[DeasVail]

Spoiler:

[Vaxkiller]

Ank's scum, yes, but we lynch PUN first.

[Shoshin]

Vax, it just delays the game. Like, if Pun's honest about role, lynching Ank should end the game. And if Pun's lying and she's an SK, we just lynch her tomorrow.

[Vaxkiller]

ehhh fine.

VOTE: Ank

[Ankamius]

Good luck Pun

I hope you get an opportunity to win at least since nobody else figured out how to play today

[Ankamius]

And btw

Your paranoia of Shoshin is justified, that logic is indefensible if you pay attention to what I've been saying

Pay attention to what I've said and why Shoshin wanted to lynch me today and it will be obvious.

[Shoshin]

You're town?

[Ankamius]

Yes I'm town

[Shoshin]

Are you fucking with me?

[Ankamius]

Oh I forgot you were already on me

No that was a last ditch effort, the games over

[Shoshin]

Yeah, I couldn't see how you could possibly be town here...

[Ankamius]

I fully believe everything I said though, I don't think I'd ever be SK reading Pun this game and everything else falls into place afterwards

That really wasn't a hard deduction to get to and I'd have the pieces in place about as fast as town

[Ankamius]

That said... scum really are the only people that would want to kill Pun today

Town optimally wanted to no lynch regardless of Pun's alignment, I couldn't figure out how to try to steer the game away from Pun's lynch without pointing out that specific option since I never would have had a chance if it happened.

[Shoshin]

Why would town want to no lynch? That doesn't make any sense.

[Ankamius]

Well, if you listened to the person who knew Pun wasn't an SK, you wouldn't have had that paranoia

[Ankamius]

but the scenario I had in mind was forcing a no lynch, killing Vax, and then forcing another no lynch so that Pun as SK would be forced to kill scum.

it does take into account that Pun would be townsiding as promised, but at this point they would be able to get a 100% accurate read on me and either just shoot me dead as scum or probably shoot the target we end up syncing on

the only scenario I thought I had any chance in was specifically to go to bat to protect Pun and then in 3p lylo hope that's enough to sway them towards siding with me and no lynching in 3p

the gamestate was kind of impossible to sway that way without outing myself though

oh well

[Ankamius]

I think this game would've been doable if I had managed to replace in on day five like I was originally supposed to

the krazy kill really screwed us

[Vaxkiller]

So DV was scum? FUUUUUUUCK

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 6.4 - final

Ankamius

(3): Shoshin, DeasVail, Vaxkiller

No Lynch

(1): Punreader

Not Voting

(1): Ankamius