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Post Post #3125  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:45 am

In post 3098, skitter30 wrote:ye i'm not entirely sure why you trusted me that much tbh, but once you did you gave me a lot to work with

and i was basically paraphrasing the entirety of the party pt into the scum pt

p-edit: yeah and then we randomized it just so that you'd overanalyze it and draw wrong conclusions :p

almost every night it was randomized iirc

I don't know why either. I guess I trusted you so heavily because you were my strongest town read before that - which, let's be honest, for me should have been a sign you were scum. When I found out it was you who was behind the messages it just made so much sense for you to be town. I was already town reading you, you claimed without hesitation, and I guess I thought that the opinion poll was too strong of an ability for scum to have. Of course, any one of the 4 of you could have claimed it was them behind the polls. Had any of your scum buddies claimed it was them then I definitely wouldn't have fallen for this. You were wise to have it be you.

But even then, I don't know why I shared so much with you. All you offered back was your identity. I was just trying to give you as much information as I could because I figured that you could form better reads with it than I could. I know my reads tend to be bad, so I was looking for someone who I could trust and have good reads on my behalf. Unfortunately, I didn't have that with Aronis. He informed me very quickly that he didn't have good reads (I also thought that was obvious from looking at his attitude in the thread). So in a way, I was depending on you. I think that if my mason partner was someone who I could be sure to have good reads, then maybe I wouldn't have shared so much with you or even fallen for your phishing scam. I think I'd probably still have told you that I was a mason, but had my partner been someone I could rely on more, I don't think I'd have told you their identity or involved you in as many of my plans.
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Post Post #3126  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:45 am

Maybe you should have claimed 3p cop with a no result on Hebi then
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Post Post #3127  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:47 am

In post 3121, the worst wrote:mutant you're the best

<3


Y'know, despite everything, this is the most fun game of mafia that I've played. (Except for the only marathon game I played because my reads there were almost entirely spot on and I felt a real rush of adrenaline whilst playing it).
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Post Post #3128  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:47 am

In post 3126, jjh927 wrote:Maybe you should have claimed 3p cop with a no result on Hebi then

Or role cop with a mafia goon result? :P
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Post Post #3129  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:49 am

Okay, dead, masonry and mod threads are down. Just the party threads left.

This has taken an hour so far WHY AHHH

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Post Post #3130  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:59 am

I AM DONE YES WOO DONE YAY

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Post Post #3131  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:08 am

Worth reading right

especially the one that's mostly me
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Post Post #3132  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:03 am

In post 3131, jjh927 wrote:Worth reading right

especially the one that's mostly me


Yeah lol, it was cool to see your reactions!

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Post Post #3133  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:14 am

In post 3027, jjh927 wrote:Seriously there were so many issues with that claim

How did people accept it when it got to the endgame and there was no way to tie?

YOU GAVE A FREAKING PROTEST ABILITY TO SCUM? WHY?

That fyi is what gave Hebi’s claim as credence as a 3p rather than mafia.
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Post Post #3134  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:17 am

In post 3050, ofrhz wrote:wait 123 wasn't roleblocker? what

I was really trying to bait scum into killing me with that role claim. I apologize for the fake-guilty though—-really thought Firebringer was scum.
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Post Post #3135  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:24 am

(I had to do it on someone to try to give my fakeclaim some credence.) I didn’t back down though cuz I didn’t want to be autolynched. Likewise, odd night rb was done to help me avoid having to make up targets.
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Post Post #3136  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:55 am

In post 3101, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 907, skitter30 wrote:i low-key want to be prez in lylo and lynch mutant for the lolz

Wow. Weren't you content with a standard betrayal? You wanted to take it a step further? You truly are a monster.


I'm an evil person with like no regrets :p

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Post Post #3137  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:58 am

In post 3124, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3123, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 3061, hebichan wrote:having the entire town believe my stupid ass anarchist fakeclaim was the best feeling ever.


I didn’t believe it!

You weren't town.

But yeah, neither me nor ausuka believed it.


You believed it so hard you acted in an anti-town manner to prevent me from reaching my wincon in case I ended the game.

If you didn't believe it you should have just let the district tie.

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Post Post #3138  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:59 am

In post 3109, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 2999, skitter30 wrote:also can't believe the day2 lol-3p claim held up all game lol

You guys acted in the scum PT as though it was the shittiest claim ever but it really wasn't. In my opinion, it was clever and believable. Sure, there were some flaws in it. But we were always too distracted by other things to notice them.

I still stand by my policy of helping third party's win though. If Wheme had won earlier, then town would have had more time to adjust. He made us lose out on a lynch when we crucially needed one. Additionally, if NK15 didn't prevent Hebi from tying a second district, we would have found out the claim was a lie.

So basically, we WOULD have lynched Hebi and probably could have lynched Vizzy before mylo if we decided to help the third party claims instead of letting scum get away with a fake claim and allowing Wheme to fuck us up at a crucial time. I also find it likely that Ankamius would have ended up lynched as well, though I do think that Skitter would survive to win the game.

I hope that the rest of the town can learn from this game that helping third parties that aren't inherently against the town is useful (obviously not SKs and game-ending jesters). If you treat them as a threat then they will become a threat. And the best way to test their claim is to let them win.

Though the thing I've learnt from this game is to not trust so easily.


In a general sense I'm willing to work with 3p if it won't adversely affect my own wincon

And we thought she was going down and I actively spent like two dayphases trying to lynch her but gave up when you repearedly talked me out of it

The initial claim was kinda sketchy but the claim after public voting literally made no sense and it's something I would have torn apart as town and i had to activelu prevent myself from getting into a thing about it in-thread

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Post Post #3139  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:59 am

In post 3112, mutantdevle wrote:They did everything I wish I could do as scum. But sadly, I have not rolled with a scum team that likes to scheme in such a way (or at least lived long enough to).


I do admit it was fun to be so devious lol

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Post Post #3140  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:02 pm

In post 3125, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 3098, skitter30 wrote:ye i'm not entirely sure why you trusted me that much tbh, but once you did you gave me a lot to work with

and i was basically paraphrasing the entirety of the party pt into the scum pt

p-edit: yeah and then we randomized it just so that you'd overanalyze it and draw wrong conclusions :p

almost every night it was randomized iirc

I don't know why either. I guess I trusted you so heavily because you were my strongest town read before that - which, let's be honest, for me should have been a sign you were scum. When I found out it was you who was behind the messages it just made so much sense for you to be town. I was already town reading you, you claimed without hesitation, and I guess I thought that the opinion poll was too strong of an ability for scum to have. Of course, any one of the 4 of you could have claimed it was them behind the polls. Had any of your scum buddies claimed it was them then I definitely wouldn't have fallen for this. You were wise to have it be you.

But even then, I don't know why I shared so much with you. All you offered back was your identity. I was just trying to give you as much information as I could because I figured that you could form better reads with it than I could. I know my reads tend to be bad, so I was looking for someone who I could trust and have good reads on my behalf. Unfortunately, I didn't have that with Aronis. He informed me very quickly that he didn't have good reads (I also thought that was obvious from looking at his attitude in the thread). So in a way, I was depending on you. I think that if my mason partner was someone who I could be sure to have good reads, then maybe I wouldn't have shared so much with you or even fallen for your phishing scam. I think I'd probably still have told you that I was a mason, but had my partner been someone I could rely on more, I don't think I'd have told you their identity or involved you in as many of my plans.


Yeah i dont remember why we decided it would be me - i was planning that since basically when I repped in; I didnt know at that point it would last that long or have such a strong impact on the game

I guess you thought you could woek with me more than you can work with Aronis to the point that you just wanted me to be town

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Post Post #3141  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:04 pm

we decided it was gonna be you cause it wasn't gonna be me and Ruby and vizzy were completely MIA day 2, which zapped all of ruby's town cred.

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Post Post #3142  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:22 pm

In post 3140, skitter30 wrote:you just wanted me to be town

I think I have this problem in a few of my games :/
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Post Post #3143  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:47 pm

In post 3133, Ircher wrote:
In post 3027, jjh927 wrote:Seriously there were so many issues with that claim

How did people accept it when it got to the endgame and there was no way to tie?

YOU GAVE A FREAKING PROTEST ABILITY TO SCUM? WHY?

That fyi is what gave Hebi’s claim as credence as a 3p rather than mafia.


I think you're missing the part where the ability basically does nothing and Hebi's claim had very little credence however you see it
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Post Post #3144  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:59 pm

I basically sat in the tub thinking how to make a fake claim out of an ability that pretty much did zero things.

Then I was like, "It would make sense if I was an outsider with no power trying to fight the system!"

Then I had no idea how to set up a win condition, so I just made one that seemed really easy to make sure didn't happen, and made my two other abilities things that I could do as part of my mafia ability anyhow but were still in flavor.

Then town basically went, "Wow, that sounds really stupid to make up." and it was, it really, really was.

And then town let me slide besides very very little actual scum hunting, cause why scum hunt as 3p?

It basically only happened because ruby convinced me to go along with her plan night one. I wasn't convinced it was a good idea, and it wasn't, but she was all into it.

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Post Post #3145  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:48 pm

if me and purrc had just taken presidency from the start we would've lynched the entire scum team LOL

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Post Post #3146  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:49 pm

we also would've lynched fire but it's a necessary casualty

truly the craziest timeline
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Post Post #3147  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:50 pm

its true, wraith and BB both had like really good reads but no charisma.

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Post Post #3148  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:51 pm

tbf both of us were forgetting that the game even existed
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Post Post #3149  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:32 pm

In post 3143, jjh927 wrote:
In post 3133, Ircher wrote:
In post 3027, jjh927 wrote:Seriously there were so many issues with that claim

How did people accept it when it got to the endgame and there was no way to tie?

YOU GAVE A FREAKING PROTEST ABILITY TO SCUM? WHY?

That fyi is what gave Hebi’s claim as credence as a 3p rather than mafia.


I think you're missing the part where the ability basically does nothing and Hebi's claim had very little credence however you see it

No, it does a lot.

It’s hard enough to lynch scum this game. This is compounded by the protest ability, which while it may generally do nothing, makes it even harder to lynch scum and gives a 3p claim a lot of credence—it’s a good ability for 3p, but it makes zero sense from a balancing standpoint to give that ability to scum. “Oh, you caught scum? Well, I’m gonna make it where it seems like there is a negative consequence to lynching scum.”
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