Transformers Mafia - Dinobots STRONGEST!

[RadiantCowbells]

and frankly we do get information from both flipping town, we get to look through peoples reactions and try to decipher which are scum reactions to a fucking field day for them.

[Toogeloo]

You are setting up Day 2 to be shit by basically allowing anyone who didn't have a preference on the duel to be allowed to get away with killing two players. If they both flip town, scum have basically just helped kill 2 town players without having to do much other than ride the free bandwagon.

Force people to pick a side. Why murder everyone right away and hasten to the end game when you can develop better reads by requiring people to take stances on each death that happens.

Multiple Duels can happen in a single day. If you don't like what happened to a singular flip, re-duel the survivor before day ends and get more reads through vengeance.

[Brian Skies]

Multiple Duels can happen in a single day. If you don't like what happened to a singular flip, re-duel the survivor before day ends and get more reads through vengeance.

Not how it works.

[Toogeloo]

Unless I am misinterpreting the rule of Dueling. Not sure if one person can only duel once per day, or if only one duel can happen per day.

Either way, it's still better to resolve through normal mafia play by forming associations and dealing with them that way than go on a murder spree and just kill off players we didn't agree with, and shrugging our shoulders if we were wrong. We only offered a limited time to have people pick sides, maybe less than a third of the game chimed in picking a winner before neither became popular.

[Brian Skies]

A.)Duel - You may post once per day "Duel: Player Name". At this point, only votes counting for you, the player you have dueled, or for neither will be counted. At the end of 48 hours or when one category has a majority OR deadline would activate, the category with the most votes wins the duel and all other parties are killed and the day ends. This does not count as using an active ability during the cycle and can not be blocked.

If "Neither" wins, all other parties are killed and the day ends.

^I'm assuming one duel per day per the above.

[Toogeloo]

Ah, ok, I was reading the line above it stating that all players have the ability DUEL, which led into the description of the ability being used once per day, making me think that each player would be able to take a shot at a duel if they so choose.

[Toogeloo]

I think my reasoning for picking a side over neither still stands, I was only mentioning the possibility of re-dueling as a compensatory way of dealing with a player. Choosing neither, at least at this juncture given the limited amount of players that have had a preference, is still a mistake.

[Garmr]

To add in on this scum would want both dead if they are both town as well as their goal is to get to the end game faster and with most people. If one is scum they are most likely to go with group concusses on what to do.

if both of them are town

the best possible thing we can do here is to deal with both of them right now

that's what im tryna say

These are pretty dumb if town. I thought RB(mr c3po) was supposed to be smart .

That's a major win for scum in that scenario, as they have eliminated two town and have a decent excuse aka "best possible scenario". Information is minimised.

Sure you get information from the players lynched but you get less information from the players alive with a double lynch, as they can choose not to pick sides.

Progress through game can reveal information on party that survived and solidify a read. The correct move for town is to try and sort from the two who is most likely and eliminate the one least likely. Give opinions why you think one is town (even if you null read both) and why one isn't or why you think both are town/scum. It forces people into a opinion which provides information.

[Garmr]

(c3po)

fixed sorry about that just saw your pronouns then. I just keep imaging you as that droid for some reason.

[Vecna]

Well thats been a pretty eventful start to the game

[RadiantCowbells]

if either aren't lynched today my first post tomorrow is a duel on whoever lived regardless of the other's flip.

[Fundamental Theorem]

Don’t worry Fire!

I’ll be sure to gladiate Unreal tomorrow.
Pedit: Not sure about RC but agree on Rb.

like a couple pages ago you were saying i was scum

what changed?

I honestly don’t know why I said that. I still think you are scum.

[Fundamental Theorem]

if either aren't lynched today my first post tomorrow is a duel on whoever lived regardless of the other's flip.

I changed my mind. I'm hitching a ride on the injustice train.

Ride or die Cupcake!

VOTE: Katsuki

sketchy as hell.

I agree with this.

if either aren't lynched today my first post tomorrow is a duel on whoever lived regardless of the other's flip.

No.

[the worst]

@FT I'm starting a townbloc with you
hope you don't mind

[Garmr]

Why I think firebringer is town.

-I think everything before 238 his trolling the duel included to fish information and see how scum reacts.
- 242 shows he isn't caving in to pressure.
-376 while I think it's null it show the mentality of defeat here and regret.
-post 418,post 420 show questioning while having this self defeat mind set I think scum fire bringer would of backed off now with a defeatist mind set.

Other things to bring up

- The debate on if his gamethowing from his end is meh.
-Stuff with rc I can't comment on since I don't know the history

Can we have more discussion on if you guys think firebringer/katsuki is town or scum. With less talk about optimal choice since that's just something scum can hide behind.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Katsuki

23 pages. Wow.

[Garmr]

if either aren't lynched today my first post tomorrow is a duel on whoever lived regardless of the other's flip.

Yeah how about we don't use the duel mechanics because I'll be voting for your death if you do that.

[Garmr]

Lets make day 2 a duel free day.

[RadiantCowbells]

if either aren't lynched today my first post tomorrow is a duel on whoever lived regardless of the other's flip.

Yeah how about we don't use the duel mechanics because I'll be voting for your death if you do that.

thats fine, we're both dying though.

[Porkens]

I am still function

[RadiantCowbells]

it's mostly katsuki that needs to die imo because his ate was gross and a whole bunch of people shit nakedvoted to save him with no reasons given

but the idea of trying to lynch firebringer if I realize he's scum later with 'oh why would he do this as scum' leaves a sour taste in my mouth and I'd rather just be done with both of them.

it's also optimal to clear them out so

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer is pretty obviously town here, there's no reason to duel so early as scum when it's only gonna piss people off

I don't think he's game throwing in either instance, but Maria's explanation for wanting him dead because "if he were town he'd be game throwing" is the exact opposite of how I feel?

If he's scum he brings unneeded attention to himself and ensures that he only has a 33% chance of surviving the day, whereas if he's town it's still stupid and annoying, but at yields some interesting reactions to get reads from.

Maria are you scum reading FB for reasons other than "if he were town he'd be game throwing"?

[Spiffeh]

ohhh shit, dueling is actually a part of this game.

Duel: Katsuki

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

This is going to be fun.

These two posts make it seem like Firebringer didn't even realize the dueling mechanic existed until 132 and his decision to duel is spur of the moment so it's pretty obvious he didn't have some master plan, and I think scum!Firebringer at least consults his scumbuddies before doing it

[Spiffeh]

Also I feel no type of way about Katsuki and he'll probably be null for the entire game so him dying now is fine

VOTE: Firebringer

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, I don't particularly think it's a good idea to leave Firebringer alive in any case?

Random duels don't seem beneficial to town.