A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

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Post Post #8350  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:45 pm

Scums powers were just not useful when they were losing that hard which is :shrug:
If you're Macho and someone tries to rolestop you, you never realise you're being targeted for a kill, so your machismo never gets challenged

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Post Post #8351  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:47 pm

jingle
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pork? (I forgot his role)
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were all investigates
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Post Post #8352  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:56 pm

turns out the best thing my role did was almost get mastina lynched for the wrong reasons
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Post Post #8353  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:57 pm

Oh, I can't argue that we could have played it a lot better!

I noted a bunch that mastina misplayed in claiming the disloyal (well, "loyal" but w/e) modifier. I thjnk Nico should have focused on winning the game instead of just surviving to endgame, especially when that became unfeasible. Wheme and I should have been active and pushed back against town a lot harder than we did. I know my irl was stupid and that's my excuse but it's still a bad reason and doesn't change my ideal llay in this scenarion.

I dont get why Varsoon using his role when he did was seen as a scumclaim but I think I missed a bunch of pages at that point in the game.

Being loud, nonconsecutive, and self-post-restricting hurt only because I was last scum and basically had my role confirmed scum because of the nature of it. I honesty thought a Varsoon carry was the only way we would win and that dream died early.

By the time I took the reigns the game was lost already.
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Post Post #8354  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:03 pm

i never saw varsoon's use of the thing as a scumclaim, i just thought he was scum

my role (basically a supersaint bomb) would have been pretty poweful had i been towny enough to kill or had scum chosen a different strategy where they don't just nk the gladiates

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Post Post #8355  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:04 pm

In post 8344, Lady Angel wrote:- Thanks to everyone who replaced in, especially those who replaced into the game during the later stages of the Mastina debacle.
- Of course, thanks to RC for making and hosting this game, and sticking through it despite the delays, player frustration, and seemingly other things. I think most of us had fun despite it all, I know I did.

Lastly, I can't wait to see the roles and other PTs in this game. I'm especially curious to know what my dreams actually did.

i agree with all of this :]

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Post Post #8356  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:36 pm

Oh right mod thread isn't opened still.

The parity cop was real but it was only one shot. We hard claimed the guilty with the full intention of baiting the roleblock.

So while the parity cop was strong (obviously in getting NR/clearing NSG) it was *extremely* gated (having Vizzy have his role dedicated to activating it and then having it be only one shot)

So like there was a lot of weak/heavily gated investigatives

I do agree that in terms of morale/game feel this probably felt really overwhelming for scum
vote conspiracy

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Post Post #8357  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:46 am

In post 8348, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 8344, Lady Angel wrote:I'd appreciate if you joined it.

Are you asking me personally or is this just a general you?

It's an open invitation to anyone!
Noble of the house of light. Professional Daydreamer.

Downtown Train Mafia is currently in day 1. PM me if you want to spectate!

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Post Post #8358  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:02 am

In post 2006, Innocent Children wrote:
In post 2004, Nero Cain wrote:It still says innocent children.


Is there some inside joke in this? :wink:

Disquieted didn’t want to play anymore and I decided to change the password for Tor and I’m too lazy to create a new account.

So, IC now =Nancy Drew 39 and Toranaga.


Have all of the roles been flipped yet?

Ours was a real doozy. :lol:

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

(I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~ the worst

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Post Post #8359  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:05 am

In post 8354, northsidegal wrote:i never saw varsoon's use of the thing as a scumclaim, i just thought he was scum

my role (basically a supersaint bomb) would have been pretty poweful had i been towny enough to kill or had scum chosen a different strategy where they don't just nk the gladiates


You have to post the role PM, it was epic.

We were a barrel of claustrophobic flying monkeys.

No, really.

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

(I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~ the worst

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Post Post #8360  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:57 am

In post 8342, Jingle wrote:
In post 8340, profii wrote:I take it where my role said it would take 4 phases to respawn meant

Lynch
N(1)
D(2)
N(3)
D(4)
And then I’m back...

Sort of thing

I assume we never found that out :lol:


I legitimately thought your predecessor claimed he'd be back the next day.

I noted there was some confusion - seemed to be for the best - I think it would have only happened once which was carefully not mentioned :lol:

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Post Post #8361  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:09 am

In post 8337, NicoRobin wrote:Yo, there is a game in the works, made by yours truly.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=66263&p=10620239#p10620239

You are all invited, so join it for shenanigans.


No one interested?

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Post Post #8362  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:41 am

i mean its not in signups yet

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Post Post #8363  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:47 am

In post 8362, northsidegal wrote:i mean its not in signups yet


You can still pre-in, though.....

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Post Post #8364  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:37 am

I’m way too over gamed right now :-/

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Post Post #8365  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:01 am

@Nico: I'm also super overgamed and Holidays are coming up, too. D:
That said, fuggit, pre-in me.

In post 8347, Shoshin wrote:I agree that scum had strong powers. I think Mastina's role could have easily been used to push a strategic mislynch without her slot getting lynched afterwards, if she had towned the slot enough. Varsoon's role was quite powerful. Strongman countered the protective roles. Town barely had any investigative powers. This seems fairly balanced to me. Town just rolled over the scum, which happens sometimes.


I don't think my role was very powerful at all. It insta-forces vote-for-lynch, but given the situation we were in after D1, town would have very likely all defaulted to the most scumread wagon anyway. Best case scenario? Oh no town get a mislynch; something that would have happened anyway most of the time. It's powerful if you consider it as a forced mislynch but it's not--town still have agency and, provided they are already on the right track, it could easily just swing out as a scum lynch, which it did. Even had I not claimed I was the one doing it, it still would've resulted in a lynch on scum.

Strongman did not counter protective roles this game. Unless a doc truthfully claims who they will protect or a BP claims truthfully, Strongman can only ever be used on someone after the fact, which means that scum still lost an NK. We lost 2 NKs this game, too, so you can see how 'powerful' that turned out for us. If the role was to be actually powerful, it wouldn't be 1-shot strongman or, alternatively, it would have been 1-shot that's triggered when the killer is blocked. As it is, it's a shot that can only be used reactively AFTER a BP soaks a kill, which makes it an incredibly weak modifier that does nothing out outgame town.

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Post Post #8366  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:07 am

A lot of powers that should have been factional abilities (1-shot Strongman, Ninja, etc) were role-based, further increasing swing, too.

Don't take my boo-hoo'ing the scum roles as me saying that's why we lost. We lost because we laid down poor play and town out-gamed us.

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Post Post #8367  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:45 am

Oh, wait, crap, I still have a signup ban for at least 6 more days, Nico.
If it doesn't start up/fill before then, lemme know.

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Post Post #8368  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:53 am

I'm actually undergamed -_-
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Post Post #8369  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:17 pm

I don't think upicks are the format for factional scum actions unless there's a coherent theme around them.
If you're Macho and someone tries to rolestop you, you never realise you're being targeted for a kill, so your machismo never gets challenged

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Post Post #8370  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:19 pm

Discern alignment before building the roles?

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Post Post #8371  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:22 pm

It's a principle thing as opposed to a mechanical thing
If you're Macho and someone tries to rolestop you, you never realise you're being targeted for a kill, so your machismo never gets challenged

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Post Post #8372  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:23 pm

For example in my first upick scum were "enemies of free will" so a factional roleblocker or director would have made sense.

But there was no coherent identity for the scumteam beyond hey these guys are mafia in this game so it doesn't feel right to give them factional actions.
If you're Macho and someone tries to rolestop you, you never realise you're being targeted for a kill, so your machismo never gets challenged

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Post Post #8373  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:26 pm

And the original overarching theme of the setup which I scrapped because unpredictable D1 + it didn't feel right anymore wouldn't have made sense with factional abilities eithet
If you're Macho and someone tries to rolestop you, you never realise you're being targeted for a kill, so your machismo never gets challenged

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Post Post #8374  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:30 pm

Could just happen via mod Fiat.
Alternatively, write it on a role-by-role basis.
It'd be easy to cheese the flavor that Diablo brings his minions of Hell to the side of the scum team, who can have them deliver a strongman or ninja kill factionally.

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