how good is vonflare at laser tag [game over]

[Majiffy]

No to drugs

No

[xyzzy]

votecount 3.07

3 players voting for Invisibility (Dunnstral, Chickadee, Irrelephant11)
2 players voting for Dunnstral (Invisibility, Ausuka)

6 players not voting (Chara, Not_Mafia, Alchemist21, Purrcocet, Majiffy, Cobblerfone)

with 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-11-04 15:30:00).

mod notes: I set the deadline forward a few days to account for giving Purrcocet time to catch up.

[Dunnstral]

Ausuka showed her true colors to try to keep invisibility from getting lynched

speaking of which, why aren't we lynching him? He's still not getting quick lynched and there's 5 scum alive, I wonder why that is

[Invisibility]

cuz I’m not scum

[Invisibility]

Wait does that mean scum is spread out and both of us are town? does that make sens?

[Purrcocet]

I will read this game by dawn owo

No to everything?

I am town!
I sort of want to know Chara's reaction to this vital knowledge and irrelephant is somewhat sus And I read the iso of Dunnstral
That is all for now~

[Dunnstral]

Just gonna throw this out there: Purrcocet is in a slot that is very very likely scum and I can tell they're going to try to angle for my lynch here (why didn't they read the iso of invisibility?)

[Purrcocet]

Okay well I am done.

Scum

Dunnstral
Lavos/Ausuka
Chickadee
Irrelephant

Alchemist/Chara/Majiffy/NM? No clue for the last one

I could use a lot of words to say why or I could just use a few
And they are: Gamma emerald, mariar, Titus, WAGON,

you fools

GammaTitus were hardtown

as you can see i towned invisibilty here which is the gamble

I can tell they're going to try to angle for my lynch here (why didn't they read the iso of invisibility?)

This doesn't have as much meaning as you want it to :/

It actually has none
You should have been lynched

[Ausuka]

Okay well I am done.

Scum

Dunnstral
Lavos/Ausuka
Chickadee
Irrelephant

Alchemist/Chara/Majiffy/NM? No clue for the last one

I could use a lot of words to say why or I could just use a few
And they are: Gamma emerald, mariar, Titus, WAGON,

you fools

GammaTitus were hardtown

as you can see i towned invisibilty here which is the gamble

I can tell they're going to try to angle for my lynch here (why didn't they read the iso of invisibility?)

This doesn't have as much meaning as you want it to :/

It actually has none
You should have been lynched

This does not even remotely begin to explain why I am in your scumlist.

Btw calling me "fake town" is not even a bit helpful and Dunnstral is not a bad vote.

He quickhammered Gamma when d1 was super important and had weird progression into doing it. He suspected Gamma super early d1, forgot about it and then hammered with the justification of "oh we don't need Cobbler's thoughts if gamma is scum" - yeah well what if he's town? His defense of Toranaga was suspicious regardless of Tor's alignment - he kinda just jumped into defending him and won't respond about why he was so certain that PP would have re-evaluated is read. Additionally he accused Maria of "just a naked vote that won't gain any traction so she can coast through the day on a baseless read while hoping townies start to wagon me." which a) doesn't really make any sense because I think if you want to coast through the day on a naked vote that won't get any traction, you don't exactly want people to focus on your target, and b) he is basically doing literally the exact same thing as he's accusing Maria of doing wrt/ voteparking Maria and not trying to push any wagon that will gain traction.

All of this still applies and it applies even more now that MariaR is DEAD and Dunnstral is the one who benefits from that because, guess what, she would have voted for Dunnstral today. He pretended that he didn't see the kill flip which is garbage and just a fake townslip. Why would you not read the kill flip? It's literally vital information and there is no reason to just ignore it. Dunnstral's read on Invis came out of absolutely nowhere. The push on Invis was completely artificial and generated today. In the span of eight posts he decides Invisibility is scum LITERALLY FOR PUSHING HIM WHEN HE HAD AN ENTIRE WAGON OF PEOPLE VOTING FOR HIM YESTERDAY and for coasting (which applies to almost half of the playerlist and this is more Invisibility's playstyle than actually coasting.) There is no progression before this, it's a sudden rush into voting Invis. And despite even saying Tora was guilty of the same thing, he tries to push me into voting Invis when I turn up in the thread using the logic of "no quickhammer so scum between us" - multiple people have pointed out that this isn't true already and he's just ignoring that because it's not convenient? I can't imagine it would be easy to get 5 people online at one time especially since they most likely have varying timezones, and this is an inactive game where people aren't turning up as much as usual.

speaking of which, why aren't we lynching him? He's still not getting quick lynched and there's 5 scum alive, I wonder why that is

This is playing dumb. He KNOWS about the possibility that he himself could be scum, he doesn't actually totally lack awareness of the situation.

In addition to this he was also tunneling on Maria for the entirety of d2 as an excuse to do absolutely nothing. Like, he kept acting like people were actually going to vote MariaR, which obviously wasn't the case, and complaining about how we won't consider MariaR as a wagon when it has exactly 1 member and nobody else was ever going to consider joining.

MariaR seems awfully content to sit back and let Titus get lynched considering she apparently knows I'm scum

This is outstandingly hypocritical considering that even though the Maria wagon was obviously never going to happen, Dunn just said "oh let's vote Maria!" as if that was going to get anything done.

VOTE: Dunn

such a scum vote

is there someone else you'd like to lynch Dunn?

Not really

This read on NM totally disappeared here. He also pushed NM a bit later, here:

Is there a punishment for voting first?

And yet you didn't vote and also seem to hold no opinions

But apparently voting Invis out of nowhere is the better option.

What's so good about the Invis wagon then? Irrelephant, for all your talk of my vote on Dunn being a "bad vote" and me being scum for it, there's no reason for your vote given at all, and it seemingly came out of absolutely nowhere at all, other than suspecting Toranaga for flaking? Flaking isn't a scum strategy, that's not how it works. If you flake, you cannot win. Your replacement is part of the game, you aren't. It is not a strategical move. Mafia are not going to flake to advance their win condition. Not to mention the fact that Tora and Dunn could easily be scum together. If you believe scum only bus when it's totally optimal you are flat out wrong and the only thing from either of them that really comes close to real bussing is Tora's "let's lynch Dunn for Maria" at the start of d3. And even then he would've known that wouldn't actually happen!

[Invisibility]

Wait does that mean scum is spread out and both of us are town? does that make sens?

nobodies answeerded this im gonna cryreadfa

[Invisibility]

actually nah

[Invisibility]

i wonder if a few scum are on me and the last few arent in the same time

[Invisibility]

zone

[Chickadee]

Congratulations on coming to no new revelations on the game. I think you just put together the names of the most heavily scum read people, and ran with it. Minus Irrelephant11. He's been pretty widely town read, I think?

[Purrcocet]

The fact that
You people and my slot used both of your lynches to lynch the towniest people lol

This does not even remotely begin to explain why I am in your scumlist.

Btw calling me "fake town" is not even a bit helpful and Dunnstral is not a bad vote.

You could be the town.

Anyways

VOTE: Dunnstral

If I'm wrong I'm wrong

[Purrcocet]

Gamma was the most obv town player

[Cobblerfone]

Gamma was the most obv town player

You already said this and it’s been two ingame days since. What is the point of saying this again?

Irrelephant asked me a question and now I forgot it. I’ll go find it (wish multiquote worked across pages on phones)

[Cobblerfone]

Nevermind he just encouraged me to post more. It’s been a busy week.

VOTE: purrcocet

Just reads too much of trying to get town-cred by calling confirmed-town obv-town

@irrelephant: if you’re voting invis only because “scum could have quicklynched” keep in mind the same applies to dunn. Now of the two, I’d vote invis, but i’d rather lose by being wrong than lose by going with the flow

[Cobblerfone]

kind of in agreement with those. Majiffy is a big question mark for me to the point i really don't know if i want to lynch there?

i don't know about Ausuka, i know it's possible i'm wrong but i've really been feeling her play today. though i don't agree with the Dunn vote. an Ausuka lynch isn't something i'd pursue until after a scum Invis flip.

like just out of the two of them i'd want to vote invis. there's a lot from Dunnstral that i think could be town Dunnstral after all (if i think about how i've seen scumstral in the past), but Maria's read there bothers me. it was her only really confident read before she was nightkilled.
on the other hand i'm townreading invis more on feelings than by play, and i'm reluctant to just ignore that.

I know what you mean about invis -- just that it's dunnstral for me. Seriously, by play, he's really scummy. But he just seems like egocentric-town to me. If you've played with him before, is he this obnoxious as town?

[Purrcocet]

VOTE: purrcocet

Just reads too much of trying to get town-cred by calling confirmed-town obv-town

This is almost a reason? But its not scum AI

I just gave my impression of the game


And Invisibility has 3 scum on his wagon that's why he hasn't been quicklynched.
Opposed to Dunn who has all town on his wagon (Ausuka is town)

If he were town he'd have been quicklynched way before now.

[Cobblerfone]

VOTE: purrcocet

Just reads too much of trying to get town-cred by calling confirmed-town obv-town

This is almost a reason? But its not scum AI

I just gave my impression of the game


And Invisibility has 3 scum on his wagon that's why he hasn't been quicklynched.
Opposed to Dunn who has all town on his wagon (Ausuka is town)

If he were town he'd have been quicklynched way before now.

Why is irrelephant scum? If it’s “because invisl hasn’t been quicklynched” i’m not convinced

[Purrcocet]

he makes good pushes
on town

[Cobblerfone]

he makes good pushes
on town

Well tell you what. Just in case you're town and you're right, I'll unvote you while I'm asleep.

UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

I could use a lot of words to say why or I could just use a few
And they are: Gamma emerald,

mariar

, Titus, WAGON,

What does MariaR have to do with anything? I thought I established that she couldn't really read me, this game is testament to that

[Irrelephant11]

Hi I'm back and with the game state *not changing at all* I'm pretty sure I have to be right here
I think I would still be willing to vote Tor-slot? I just finished a game with Toranaga and his postcount here is absolutely AI.
but fmpov the fact that invis/dunn are both stuck at small wagons (and invis has at least one town vote: mine) means one if not both of them are almost definitely scum, and I'm leaning invis (unless I'm the one townie on the wagon and scum just *really can't* organize a quickhammer, but I don't think there's any slot left that's inactive, with Tor being replaced)
Purrcocet saying dunn is scum over invis is town-indicative for dunn imo