Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Elsa Jay]

UNVOTE:

Totally down for RK, Elsa, or Mala.

We know your fine with my Lynch. You've literally been saying it since day 1.

[Toogeloo]

I'm a man of conviction.

Plus there's a reason why "Lynch all Liars," exists.

[Elsa Jay]

Yeah, so I somehow never get lynched despite that saying existing because I'm somehow never the biggest problem.

[Toogeloo]

As you unvote me.

I have nothing against you personally, nor do I have anything against Elsa personally. But I've been playing Mafia for over a decade and the theory when I started was always "lynch anyone who doesn't share the same win-con as you, they don't have the same interests in heart."

If we could 100% discern the identity of Malcolm Reynolds, I'd be 100% on board with getting you your win, but you showed your hand too early, and now it's more of a handicap to try and get you your win and still game solve and get the town win.

[Toogeloo]

Yeah, so I somehow never get lynched despite that saying existing because I'm somehow never the biggest problem.

I'm only one person, and thankfully for you though I add a different school of thought to the game, I am not able to remove you on my own. I also am wise enough to know that you'll get sorted in due course, one way or another.

[Jingle]

TBF, my philosophy is "Ensure that working with me IS their best interest."

And yeah, lynching willy-nilly trying to get Mala the win isn't tenable. We basically have to stumble into perfect conditions to let Mala have the win, and I acknowledge that. I will always advocate lynching scum over lynching 3p (even malevolent 3p like SK's) though. And Mala isn't the correct lynch or the lynch I prefer, so...

[CheekyTeeky]

I feel like scum is squirming somewhere in the mess of the last few pages.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Right Knight

[ruru]

votecount

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Malakittens (3):	Chara (4275),	Malakittens (4370),	Elsa Jay (4377),
RightKnight (3):	Flicker (4355),	CheekyTeeky (4436),	Chickadee (4482),
Chara (1):	BuJaber (4318),
Elsa Jay (1):	Reasonably Rational (4408),
Not voting (4):	RightKnight,	Jingle (4390),	Gamma Emerald (4434),	Toogeloo (4473),

(expired on 2018-11-21 23:00:00) remain.

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: RightKnight

[BuJaber]

Check Chara's loved first

[Elsa Jay]

We know from Flicker those modifiers exist. No real point in checking it.

[Reasonably Rational]

EJ is absolutely a better lynch than RK here. :/

-Cerb

[Elsa Jay]

Oh yeah, you ALSO have a lynch-boner on me Cerb. I forgot with Drixx taking over for awhile.

[BuJaber]

We know from Flicker those modifiers exist. No real point in checking it.

Easy scum lynch if she's lying. Also it's almost effortless, just a few votes and then we get on with the rest of the day.

[Reasonably Rational]

You're objectively the best lynch, especially for a town this far ahead. A known repeated liar who has never lied in a way that's actually beneficial to town, but only to keeping themselves alive, and whose death does not bring town closer to losing because this game ends when no town are left, not when scum control the lynch. We lose nothing by removing you if you're honest, and if you're not then you're scum. With RK if they're actually town, we lose usage of protectives that have been flawless so far this game. You both die before end game, but you should go first.

-Cerb

[Elsa Jay]

You could just admit you just want to hang me because you Don't like me and dont bullshit about it being strategically sound.

[RightKnight]

EJ is absolutely a better lynch than RK here. :/

-Cerb

Agreed but at this point arguing against that tide is just silly.

Scum want us gone so they can kill. It’s almost as informative to let it happen as it is to stop it.

I haven’t had the energy nor time to post a lot. So it’s understandable although I think it’s really really silly.

~~Math

[RightKnight]

You could just admit you just want to hang me because you Don't like me and dont bullshit about it being strategically sound.

I don’t know you and haven’t met you but when you’re ahead is 100% of the time to LaL.

~~Math

[Reasonably Rational]

You could just admit you just want to hang me because you Don't like me and dont bullshit about it being strategically sound.

EJ, I don't care about you. You mean nothing more to me than any other stranger does. I appreciate that your attempts to stay alive require that you try to make everyone else view this as some sort of vendetta, but that simply isn't the case. Have I wanted your slot dead throughout the game, for different reasons? Yes. Have any of those reasons been rooted in anything other than sound logic? No.

-Cerb

[Chara]

You could just admit you just want to hang me because you Don't like me and dont bullshit about it being strategically sound.

this is rather ridiculous. you aren't town.

[Reasonably Rational]

Also something to make sure everyone is aware of: a compulsive modifier on a town doctor does not make any sense at all. A compulsive modifier on a scum doctor, however, especially if not allowed to target their teammate with it...now that makes sense. Something to be wary of.

If no scum have been found, and the masons are still alive in two day phases, I believe one of them needs to be lynched to confirm the other.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Some thoughts:

If RK really is a town doc enabler, I have no idea how on earth they could be connected to River being tortured. That image comes from a video of River's torture and Simon rescuing River which is watched by The Operative, before The Operative kills the alliance chief doctor who was in charge of the "gifted" program which River was ensnared by. The only characters actually present in that scene are The Operative and the alliance big bad doctor.

If RK really is a town doc enabler, that's irrelevant now. Our doctor will die, then we will die. RK has no further value due to the mass claim. If; however, RK is

NOT

a town doc enabler, but instead flips as scum... then we are in a world where CT shifts to probscum.

Obviously the "compulsive" modifier is a concern as well. There's a small flavor argument to be made that Simon could be "compelled" to act as a doctor to the crew of Serenity (because that's what everyone is after the first couple episodes; all bound by mutual interest and all doing "jobs" together) in order to have his services be the "payment" for them to stay on board. A better reason to make a doctor compulsive would be if they are scum... especially if they can't heal their partner(s).


In all worlds ... the RK slot is problematic. The flavor cop, inasmuch as we can decipher it, seems to condemn them. They are probably the best lynch today.


Thoughts going forward:

Elsa Jay has to eat rope soon. Survivor will have no reason to throw in with town, and that's if we believe that EJ is actually a survivor. LAL is strong in this case.
CT depends some on how RK flips. If RK somehow does flip as a town doc enabler, which I doubt, then CT is probably a paranoia M/LYLO lynch.
Jingle and GE will have to be checked and possibly one of them flipped if the game continues another 2-3 days.


This feels pretty solved, but something is nagging at me. I'm going to be super busy the next 3 days and I doubt this day will persist that long so dumping my thoughts, such as they are. Given the way the mass claim went, and the outside possibility that RK might be telling the truth (again; seems doubtful at best) ... I thought it best to point at the places where scum could be hiding and trying to endgame.

~D

[CheekyTeeky]

RK is NOT a town doc enabler, but instead flips as scum... then we are in a world where CT shifts to probscum.

This is incredibly bad reasoning. I'm voting RK BECAUSE they don't fit with me. I'm a doc who protected you because you've been my only solid town read this game. Regardless of RKs flip there is no connection to my alignment.

[CheekyTeeky]

In what world do you ever effing lynch me? Ugh so mad right now. Like who else is simon?