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Post Post #3275  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:04 pm

In post 3271, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3246, Chara wrote:
In post 3243, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3237, Chara wrote:ugh. i'm sorry. should i have fought longer? maybe actually voting Varsoon would have helped. i dropped the ball so many times here. gladiate Penguin, gladiate Varsoon when i said i would. i'm so damn wishy washy.

Chara we did have day talk and we had just coordinated the hammer anyway

Scum pt can be released

even without you and Penguin ready to drop the hammer, Nancy wouldn't have even been able to vote Gamma if i'd gladiated Varsoon when i thought about doing so. or Penguin.
at least choosing to vote Gamma when i did didn't affect the outcome, but i still fucked up.


Yeah, I would have voted Varsoon over you, since you were my strongest townread after Kokichi at that point. So, lesson learned, Maria can’t be trusted to read Dunn correctly.


in retrospect, dunn not dying after i claimed merlin day 1 was suspect after i fake softed him first post.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.

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Post Post #3276  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:05 pm

In post 3274, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3268, Kokichi Oma wrote:Dva was a meta read which was wrong and because Maria said she was shooting her so i had to keep up the act. (and like i said i didnt really expect her to die anyway lol) and Auro i had a sr on day 1 which was wrong.


Only correct Maria read in this game, was NK15.

She had Penguin as locktown, merely for posting . . . anything.


if you look at dead thread, most people's reads were wrong. They were saying UT, Chara or you scum for sure. She did well with the roleswap tho
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Post Post #3277  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:07 pm

In post 3238, FakeGod wrote:I wrote a long, scathing criticism of town play in this game, but I lost it and decided that it was better not posted.

Congratulations to scum team for winning despite Arthur getting the sword on Night 1!


We actually would have had a better shot at winning this, if Arthur hadn’t have gotten the sword.
Or if I had been Arthur, because I never would have shot DVa and especially Auro.

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

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Post Post #3278  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:07 pm

In post 3248, FakeGod wrote:
In post 3240, Chara wrote:i'd have liked to read it anyway, FakeGod. i hate everything about what i did this game.

You probably did best out of town. My criticisms were mostly aimed at Kokichi.


I'm fine with you saying them btw lol. What could I have done better? As I told you in PMs I couldn't believe I was actually arthur. I think I did well with the roleswaps, obviously my reads were bad but most of towns were.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.

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Post Post #3279  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:08 pm

In post 3276, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 3274, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3268, Kokichi Oma wrote:Dva was a meta read which was wrong and because Maria said she was shooting her so i had to keep up the act. (and like i said i didnt really expect her to die anyway lol) and Auro i had a sr on day 1 which was wrong.


Only correct Maria read in this game, was NK15.

She had Penguin as locktown, merely for posting . . . anything.


if you look at dead thread, most people's reads were wrong. They were saying UT, Chara or you scum for sure. She did well with the roleswap tho


Can’t wait to find out how anyone thought I was scum here. :lol:

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

(I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Post Post #3280  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:08 pm

at least kokichi killed one scum.
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Post Post #3281  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:11 pm

In post 1475, Kokichi Oma wrote:nah he was pretty towny imo.

VOTE: Varsoon


im upset i totally forgot about this lol. but the random gladiating threw me off in day 2 and 3
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Post Post #3282  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:21 pm

In post 3260, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3237, Chara wrote:ugh. i'm sorry. should i have fought longer? maybe actually voting Varsoon would have helped. i dropped the ball so many times here. gladiate Penguin, gladiate Varsoon when i said i would. i'm so damn wishy washy.


Townlocking Dunn, was our biggest mistake. Sorry Gamma. :facepalm:

If you had agreed to gladiate Penguin, things might have turned out differently.

it wasn't. i was taking Dunn being scum into account with my reads, i unfortunately just didn't go through with either of the gladiates due to being terrible.
but it's something to learn from.
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Post Post #3283  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:23 pm

You can release the scum PT.

I think town has better chances of winning without getting the sword, for sure.
Pretty much every scum maneuver worked though, which was the problem.

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Post Post #3284  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:28 pm

I figured that one of two things would happen if we ran down the timer:
1. Town would figure it out at least to the point of Penguin getting gladiated and lynched.
2. We'd end on a no-lynch win with lies about holiday/weekend activity, which is kinda lame.

So I went for the gladiate.
PT should show that I kinda considered it a day or two earlier, even.

Have more confidence, Chara. Your reads won't always be right, but when they feel right, go for it. Better to commit to something you believed in and end up wrong than to not commit when you were right.

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Post Post #3285  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:29 pm

Reading that dead thread was a thrill.

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Post Post #3286  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:30 pm

Scum PT is now public.
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Post Post #3287  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:43 pm

How come when I died all the trs I had on like gamma went out the window
How come people tr dunn when I never once called him town
I cri zzz gg scum
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Post Post #3288  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:22 pm

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Gist of my thoughts:

The chances of town actually getting Arthur on Excalibur is exceedingly low, but boy OH BOY is Arthur + Excalibur STRONG. Most people don't get to experience a power imbalance like this: an IC BP Vig in a mountainous setup!!!! You're a freaking SUPERMAN at that point. People would absolutely KILL for a role like that. Your Merlin pulled off a MIRACLE somehow and she managed to get the sword to Arthur on N1 (ended up being 1/3 chance, btw), which is the single best possible scenario for town in this setup, and then what happened????

Town lost. Badly. It wasn't even close. Everyone was busy doing random things and fakeclaiming their asses off while your superman killed town after town before going AWOL. The only scum lynch was the one the scum team gave to you guys. :facepalm:

I guess what I'm trying to say is that despite being dealt an amazingly good hand, possibly the single best hand in the game against all odds, town managed to lose the game. It's like if your favorite soccer team started the game with 5 goals, and then finished the game 5-30 with half your players red carded. Or it's the Olympics relay swimming and your Micheal Phelps swam back with a massive lead and turns out rest of your team can't swim. Or you're Sauron and sent 9 ringwraiths against a couple of hobbit farmers and the ringwraiths fail fantastically. I don't know. I can't even begin to imagine just how huge of a lead the town needed to win this game. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Post Post #3289  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:28 pm

So what your saying, Fakegod, is town did so skillfully at failing that we did better then ever thought possible. This outcome took so much coordination and effort that the town should be praised for failing so spectacularly, right?
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Post Post #3290  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:33 pm

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Post Post #3291  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:38 pm

In post 3271, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3246, Chara wrote:
In post 3243, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3237, Chara wrote:ugh. i'm sorry. should i have fought longer? maybe actually voting Varsoon would have helped. i dropped the ball so many times here. gladiate Penguin, gladiate Varsoon when i said i would. i'm so damn wishy washy.

Chara we did have day talk and we had just coordinated the hammer anyway

Scum pt can be released

even without you and Penguin ready to drop the hammer, Nancy wouldn't have even been able to vote Gamma if i'd gladiated Varsoon when i thought about doing so. or Penguin.
at least choosing to vote Gamma when i did didn't affect the outcome, but i still fucked up.


Yeah, I would have voted Varsoon over you, since you were my strongest townread after Kokichi at that point. So, lesson learned, Maria can’t be trusted to read Dunn correctly.


I'd like to point out that MariaR never actually called me town - she just never called me scum, which people jumped on all the same as if it were a hard townread and I was cleared.

In reality, her read on me was probably one where she was still trying to figure me out, me being somewhere around null for her

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Post Post #3292  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:53 pm

i'm also not going to be changing my mind about Maria's read accuracy on Dunn. i think Dunn is right here.
i started to think i was wrong on that townread partway through the Day... but, as Varsoon said i need to be more confident.
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Post Post #3293  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:00 am

In post 3290, FakeGod wrote:Image


wow not every day you see a fakegod reactiongif

well done elsa

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Post Post #3294  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:08 am

It's a gift, I know.
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Post Post #3295  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:10 am

The takeaway from this is that whenever someone disagrees with my plan they're scum.

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Post Post #3296  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:12 am

Elsa was the only town fakeclaim, right?
Kokichi too, that kinda confused me.
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Post Post #3297  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:13 am

My take away is if I don't attempt to make reads and just shout "I GOT A GUN" at the top of my lungs, the town ignores me and the mafia kills me.

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Post Post #3298  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:17 am

Mafia didn't, the real Arthur did AFAIR.
Moral: Don't fakeclaim
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Post Post #3299  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:25 am

In post 3298, Auro wrote:Mafia didn't, the real Arthur did AFAIR.
Moral: Don't fakeclaim


Moral: let Mafia have free rein to lie and have control over the gamestate, is what you are actually trying to say.

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