Masochist Mafia II [Game Over]

[Ramcius]

Well, I’m not scumreading you but in general, I regard that sort of thing as NAI, since I’ve witnessed both wrong town as well as scum buddies do that sort of thing.

@Menalque, have you read my case on why Saladman/Frozen Angel is very likely scum and what are your thoughts about that?

I know you aren't, I was trying show to Menalque that his reasoning makes no sense, I think he's town and I'd much rather have him look for actual scum

How Salad/FA isn't NAI then? You base scumread on something most of players in this game did - lurking

No, my case on that slot isn’t based on lurking. Where are you getting that from?

I checked whooping 6 posts from FA and 7 from Salad, neither have posted anything relevant, like literally, so what's the case was again then?

[Ramcius]

Hm, how about more interesting topic, Nancy - what happened to your townread on me? You know, people usually defend their townreads, not question their defence like you did to mine attempt to prove that I can't be NM's scumbuddy

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hm, how about more interesting topic, Nancy - what happened to your townread on me? You know, people usually defend their townreads, not question their defence like you did to mine attempt to prove that I can't be NM's scumbuddy

What do you think I’ve questioned? My read on you hasn’t changed.

[Ramcius]

Hm, how about more interesting topic, Nancy - what happened to your townread on me? You know, people usually defend their townreads, not question their defence like you did to mine attempt to prove that I can't be NM's scumbuddy

What do you think I’ve questioned? My read on you hasn’t changed.

You tell me what you've questioned. And what exactly is your read on me? Cause you're awkwardly dodgy on this - you said you aren't scumreading me, now you say read haven't changed, but when people townread, they usually say it outright

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hm, how about more interesting topic, Nancy - what happened to your townread on me? You know, people usually defend their townreads, not question their defence like you did to mine attempt to prove that I can't be NM's scumbuddy

What do you think I’ve questioned? My read on you hasn’t changed.

You tell me what you've questioned. And what exactly is your read on me? Cause you're awkwardly dodgy on this - you said you aren't scumreading me, now you say read haven't changed, but when people townread, they usually say it outright

I don’t know,

YOU’RE

the one accusing me of being “dodgy” on my read of you, when I’m clearly telling you. it hasn’t changed.

[Ramcius]

Hm, how about more interesting topic, Nancy - what happened to your townread on me? You know, people usually defend their townreads, not question their defence like you did to mine attempt to prove that I can't be NM's scumbuddy

What do you think I’ve questioned? My read on you hasn’t changed.

You tell me what you've questioned. And what exactly is your read on me? Cause you're awkwardly dodgy on this - you said you aren't scumreading me, now you say read haven't changed, but when people townread, they usually say it outright

I don’t know,

YOU’RE

the one accusing me of being “dodgy” on my read of you, when I’m clearly telling you. it hasn’t changed.

Yes, you're dodgy, why it's so hard so say "my read on you is X", why you say "haven't changed"?

Also, you haven't answered, what were you questioning then?

I'd like to remind you your old scumhunting advice about sincerity, which is lacking in your posts here

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hm, how about more interesting topic, Nancy - what happened to your townread on me? You know, people usually defend their townreads, not question their defence like you did to mine attempt to prove that I can't be NM's scumbuddy

What do you think I’ve questioned? My read on you hasn’t changed.

You tell me what you've questioned. And what exactly is your read on me? Cause you're awkwardly dodgy on this - you said you aren't scumreading me, now you say read haven't changed, but when people townread, they usually say it outright

I don’t know,

YOU’RE

the one accusing me of being “dodgy” on my read of you, when I’m clearly telling you. it hasn’t changed.

Yes, you're dodgy, why it's so hard so say "my read on you is X", why you say "haven't changed"?

Also, you haven't answered, what were you questioning then?

I'd like to remind you your old scumhunting advice about sincerity, which is lacking in your posts here

That’s your INCORRECT opinion. Saying my read on you hasn’t changed or I’m not scumreading you, is no different than saying I tr you.

You’re the one who keeps questioning ME and I still don’t understand why because you keep asking me this question without actually explaining exactly wtf you’re referring to and no, I’m not a mindreader so if you want annswer to your question, it’s never going to happen until you explain to me what you’re asking. I can’t answer a question if I have no clue what it is, so make it clear or drop it, pretty much.

[Ramcius]

That’s your INCORRECT opinion. Saying my read on you hasn’t changed or I’m not scumreading you, is no different than saying I tr you.

You’re the one who keeps questioning ME and I still don’t understand why because you keep asking me this question without actually explaining exactly wtf you’re referring to and no, I’m not a mindreader so if you want annswer to your question, it’s never going to happen until you explain to me what you’re asking. I can’t answer a question if I have no clue what it is, so make it clear or drop it, pretty much.

Fine, I'll ask differently - what was your problem with me trying to explain Menalque that I can't be NM's scumbuddy?

I question you, because your actions makes no sense, therefore you're likely to be scum

[Nancy Drew 39]

That’s your INCORRECT opinion. Saying my read on you hasn’t changed or I’m not scumreading you, is no different than saying I tr you.

You’re the one who keeps questioning ME and I still don’t understand why because you keep asking me this question without actually explaining exactly wtf you’re referring to and no, I’m not a mindreader so if you want annswer to your question, it’s never going to happen until you explain to me what you’re asking. I can’t answer a question if I have no clue what it is, so make it clear or drop it, pretty much.

Fine, I'll ask differently - what was your problem with me trying to explain Menalque that I can't be NM's scumbuddy?

I question you, because your actions makes no sense, therefore you're likely to be scum

Only because you’re misinterpreting my posts and WRONG!

When did I say I had a “problem” with that? Show me the actual quote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have actually forgotten why but I’m trusting past me on this one

Well, your all reason for that is that I defended NM, but then again, you just mistaking my attempt to PL Salamance with NM's defence.

Anyway, I have a question to you - why NM didn't fakeclaim? He was aware of his state of being lynch, he posted during twilight right after deadline

How many games have you played before with NM?

So, you trying to say we were scumbuddies and me defending NM was miscommunication between us?

I’m saying that NM very rarely takes mafia seriously. He just doesn’t think like most players, irrespective of alignment.

What I'm trying to say is - does me "defending" my scumbuddy NM makes sense? If he was acting like usual in scum chat, wouldn't it make more sense for me to go along with the flow and just vote him? If anyone wonder, I have no qualms about lynching my scumbuddies, look Fallout game

Well, I’m not scumreading you but in general, I regard that sort of thing as NAI, since I’ve witnessed both wrong town as well as scum buddies do that sort of thing.

@Menalque, have you read my case on why Saladman/Frozen Angel is very likely scum and what are your thoughts about that?

Is the bolded the statement you’re making a federal case about? I said A)

I’m NOT scumreading you

and B)

in general - as not in THIS particular game -

I would read that as NAI. What exactly is your problem with that?

[McMenno]

hi. im alive lol.

[Ramcius]

That’s your INCORRECT opinion. Saying my read on you hasn’t changed or I’m not scumreading you, is no different than saying I tr you.

You’re the one who keeps questioning ME and I still don’t understand why because you keep asking me this question without actually explaining exactly wtf you’re referring to and no, I’m not a mindreader so if you want annswer to your question, it’s never going to happen until you explain to me what you’re asking. I can’t answer a question if I have no clue what it is, so make it clear or drop it, pretty much.

Fine, I'll ask differently - what was your problem with me trying to explain Menalque that I can't be NM's scumbuddy?

I question you, because your actions makes no sense, therefore you're likely to be scum

Only because you’re misinterpreting my posts and WRONG!

When did I say I had a “problem” with that? Show me the actual quote.

My problem is why you decided to interfere in the first place? If you TR me, then idea of me being scumbuddy of NM shouldn't even occur to you and your stance should've been opposite - support my defence, so why you decided to question it?

As for bolded part, yes, it's a capital crime, but not for this, it's you straight up denouncing use of meta, while you used meta to support your push on FA. If you said it's bad, cause it's selfmeta, I would say fine, but you simply say my meta doesn't matter, because other people behaved differently, which literally undermines whole idea of the meta

[Nancy Drew 39]

That’s your INCORRECT opinion. Saying my read on you hasn’t changed or I’m not scumreading you, is no different than saying I tr you.

You’re the one who keeps questioning ME and I still don’t understand why because you keep asking me this question without actually explaining exactly wtf you’re referring to and no, I’m not a mindreader so if you want annswer to your question, it’s never going to happen until you explain to me what you’re asking. I can’t answer a question if I have no clue what it is, so make it clear or drop it, pretty much.

Fine, I'll ask differently - what was your problem with me trying to explain Menalque that I can't be NM's scumbuddy?

I question you, because your actions makes no sense, therefore you're likely to be scum

Only because you’re misinterpreting my posts and WRONG!

When did I say I had a “problem” with that? Show me the actual quote.

My problem is why you decided to interfere in the first place? If you TR me, then idea of me being scumbuddy of NM shouldn't even occur to you and your stance should've been opposite - support my defence, so why you decided to question it?

As for bolded part, yes, it's a capital crime, but not for this, it's you straight up denouncing use of meta, while you used meta to support your push on FA. If you said it's bad, cause it's selfmeta, I would say fine, but you simply say my meta doesn't matter, because other people behaved differently, which literally undermines whole idea of the meta

No, no, no. You have completely misinterpreted what I said. Mena sr you based on that, you argued that was town indicative, right? I said I don’t scumread you BUT In GENERAL, I’d regard that as NAI and nothing you’re saying has convinced me, that there’s anything even remotely objectionable, let alone scummy about what I said.

When did I ever say, “your meta doesn’t matter”? Of course it absolutely does! I have meta on you from LNT and your play reads to me to be very similar here to that game. I also don’t see why scum!you would try to stop the UTL lurker lynch. My point being, I don’t consider your play here to be scummy.

If you still don’t understand what I’m talking about, I really don’t see what I can say to make that any clearer than I just did.

[Ramcius]

I never implied that Mena should TR me or anything, I said that idea of me being on same team with NM is ridiculous and he shouldn't base his scumread on me with that. I might said that he should look elsewhere, but why would anyone would tell someone to dig evidence for their own scumread?

By meta I mean me pointing at Fallout game, my only scumgame here, and my point is that I have no problems with voting uncooperative scumbuddies as a scum, therefore me staying off NM wagon points towards fact that we aren't scumbuddies. Yet you said something about other people doing it anyway

Btw, I'm disappointed that you think so low of my scumgame - maybe I can imitate my town meta as a scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay I see your point now. I just ISO’d you and Fallout and while I wouldn’t say you were obviously scummy in that, you definitely seemed very different from LNT. Your play here reads very similar to LNT, in Fallout you somehow lack the sincerity you demonstrated in LNT that I’m seeing here.

In both this game and LNT, you seem genuinely intent on solving, where as in Fallout, it read to me that you utilized your posting as a way to distract others, because you we’re pretty much using a lot of words in your posts to say essentially nothing. Would you agree with this?

[Ramcius]

Okay I see your point now. I just ISO’d you and Fallout and while I wouldn’t say you were obviously scummy in that, you definitely seemed very different from LNT. Your play here reads very similar to LNT, in Fallout you somehow lack the sincerity you demonstrated in LNT that I’m seeing here.

In both this game and LNT, you seem genuinely intent on solving, where as in Fallout, it read to me that you utilized your posting as a way to distract others, because you we’re pretty much using a lot of words in your posts to say essentially nothing. Would you agree with this?

I didn't expect you to go full meta on me for that joke, tbh.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay I see your point now. I just ISO’d you and Fallout and while I wouldn’t say you were obviously scummy in that, you definitely seemed very different from LNT. Your play here reads very similar to LNT, in Fallout you somehow lack the sincerity you demonstrated in LNT that I’m seeing here.

In both this game and LNT, you seem genuinely intent on solving, where as in Fallout, it read to me that you utilized your posting as a way to distract others, because you we’re pretty much using a lot of words in your posts to say essentially nothing. Would you agree with this?

I didn't expect you to go full meta on me for that joke, tbh.

That’s because you don’t know me very well.

[Ramcius]

Okay I see your point now. I just ISO’d you and Fallout and while I wouldn’t say you were obviously scummy in that, you definitely seemed very different from LNT. Your play here reads very similar to LNT, in Fallout you somehow lack the sincerity you demonstrated in LNT that I’m seeing here.

In both this game and LNT, you seem genuinely intent on solving, where as in Fallout, it read to me that you utilized your posting as a way to distract others, because you we’re pretty much using a lot of words in your posts to say essentially nothing. Would you agree with this?

I didn't expect you to go full meta on me for that joke, tbh.

That’s because you don’t know me very well.

It's not that, I just thought you have better things to do in life than make this dive

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay I see your point now. I just ISO’d you and Fallout and while I wouldn’t say you were obviously scummy in that, you definitely seemed very different from LNT. Your play here reads very similar to LNT, in Fallout you somehow lack the sincerity you demonstrated in LNT that I’m seeing here.

In both this game and LNT, you seem genuinely intent on solving, where as in Fallout, it read to me that you utilized your posting as a way to distract others, because you we’re pretty much using a lot of words in your posts to say essentially nothing. Would you agree with this?

I didn't expect you to go full meta on me for that joke, tbh.

That’s because you don’t know me very well.

It's not that, I just thought you have better things to do in life than make this dive

Like I said, you don’t know me very well. Sad but unfortunately true. :/

[Ramcius]

Okay I see your point now. I just ISO’d you and Fallout and while I wouldn’t say you were obviously scummy in that, you definitely seemed very different from LNT. Your play here reads very similar to LNT, in Fallout you somehow lack the sincerity you demonstrated in LNT that I’m seeing here.

In both this game and LNT, you seem genuinely intent on solving, where as in Fallout, it read to me that you utilized your posting as a way to distract others, because you we’re pretty much using a lot of words in your posts to say essentially nothing. Would you agree with this?

I didn't expect you to go full meta on me for that joke, tbh.

That’s because you don’t know me very well.

It's not that, I just thought you have better things to do in life than make this dive

Like I said, you don’t know me very well. Sad but unfortunately true. :/

Well, start watching anime then, maybe, or some kdramas

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay I see your point now. I just ISO’d you and Fallout and while I wouldn’t say you were obviously scummy in that, you definitely seemed very different from LNT. Your play here reads very similar to LNT, in Fallout you somehow lack the sincerity you demonstrated in LNT that I’m seeing here.

In both this game and LNT, you seem genuinely intent on solving, where as in Fallout, it read to me that you utilized your posting as a way to distract others, because you we’re pretty much using a lot of words in your posts to say essentially nothing. Would you agree with this?

I didn't expect you to go full meta on me for that joke, tbh.

That’s because you don’t know me very well.

It's not that, I just thought you have better things to do in life than make this dive

Like I said, you don’t know me very well. Sad but unfortunately true. :/

Well, start watching anime then, maybe, or some kdramas

“kdramas”?

I literally haven’t felt like myself since I found out about one of my best friends dying from their Facebook account. I keep hoping to snap out of it I guess but Corona isn’t helping.

I think I’m probably not doing enough to distract myself.

[Postie]

hi. im alive lol.

i didn't know you were in this game what the fuck

[Postie]

Nancy why are you scumhunting in your townreads instead of your scumreads

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy why are you scumhunting in your townreads instead of your scumreads

???

Come again?

Have I said anything to give you the impression that I’ve even remotely deviated in the slightest, on my stance on Salad having 97% chance of flipping scum? My reads haven’t changed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

hi. im alive lol.

i didn't know you were in this game what the fuck

Korina desperado’d him, he’s the IC.