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Post Post #3525  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:49 pm

In post 3507, Michael Scott wrote:Many slots were dead, in a sense. A lot of town slots were kinda "out" of the game, too. Tbh Mew, what made you lurk D2?

I explained it in thread, like seriously. I think there was a point where Creature was kind of too apathetic that it became townie, a point where he was like "I want to use this game to find scum" or something like that. But then he put me in his scum group so I didn't care enough to actively save him seeing that, just a very meh day.

Also more important to why AC and everyone that scum read me still or had their reservations. I didn't think I would survive if I pushed something and I was wrong then it would be held against me. I feel like I wouldn't have survived honestly the dead thread scum team predictions kind of say enough on that. Then there were the night action movements, just showed off I was a flying unit which would make sense to be in the minority compared to ground units... and we all saw where that speculation went.

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Post Post #3526  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:51 pm

Creature being apathetic is literally his scum meta though.
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Post Post #3527  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:53 pm

The spec was correct, haha. One scum in claimed air units.

I think you were a biiit rude D1, we thought that'd be a scumtell for you lol. I was getting ready to check there and confirm.
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Post Post #3528  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:54 pm

I didn’t fight for our slot enough soz townies

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Post Post #3529  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:55 pm

Here's something extremely ironic.

A few days ago I had this "epiphany" that Alchemist was scum via his roleclaim. He was the only person to claim a Zerg unit that can actually attack/kill in the Starcraft video games. The Zerg mutalisk (Alchemist's claim) can attack/kill, but the Zerg viper (Mewtaph's claim) and the Zerg Overseer (Meph's claim) cannot attack/kill in Starcraft. I reasoned that, based on Jjh's fakeclaim (Zerg Hatchery) being the exact Zerg equivalent of his actual role (Terran Command Center), that the scum air unit would have an attacking Zerg air unit as their fakeclaim. The logic was that if this was the case, then Mewtaph couldn’t be the scum air unit, because if he was a Terran or Protoss air unit that was comparable to his claim (Zerg Viper), then he would have to be a non-attacking air unit like the Terran medivac. And if he was a non-attacking Terran or Protoss air unit, he couldn’t possibly have a kill flavor that would make sense for his role, and thus he could not be scum. So I thought that was a legitimate way to solve between Mewtaph vs Alchemist, because one of them claimed to be an air unit that can attack and the other didn't.

But after talking about it with Auro, I came to the conclusion that it was entirely reasonable to conclude that the scum air unit did have a fakeclaim for a Zerg air unit, but not necessarily for a Zerg air unit that can attack/kill -- assuming that much seemed reachy, and I wasn't going to push for Alchemist's lynch based on that alone. And then to make matters worse, when I reread through most of the entire game, I just became more and more convinced that Mewtaph was scum based on his ISO and his interactions with Pint and Nico/Jjh (especially Pint).

And by the way, Auro meant it when he said that he was getting paranoid about Alchemist. Whereas I had thoughts about scum!Alchemist mainly for mechanical reasons, Auro was actually getting scum vibes from him. Had Pint been lynched today, Auro and I most likely would have had a long debate about Mewtaph vs Alchemist.
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Post Post #3530  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:01 pm

Volxen, your setup spec was scaringly accurate

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Post Post #3531  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:06 pm

I don't understand why you guys didn't lynch Alchemist today.

He was obviously trying to create rifts in peoples townreads to open more mislynch opportunities yesterday.

But damn I got fooled hard by Pintus obfuscating stupid townie play.
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Post Post #3532  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:07 pm

In post 3503, pinturicchio wrote:@Volxen OMG I was always thinking "why this guy's name pings me if I have never played with him as far as I know", I totally forgot it was you I replaced in! Dude you improved A LOT since that game


You've actually seen me in two games. Newbie 1905 (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77949) where you replaced into my scum slot, and we also played together shortly in Open 741: Red Flag (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77905). Unfortunately, due to being busy IRL I had to replace out of both games, so I didn't do much at all in either game.
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Post Post #3533  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:10 pm

In post 3531, Firebringer wrote:But damn I got fooled hard by Pintus obfuscating stupid townie play.

I really should have figured out at some point that he was just making reasons up to scumread MS but beneath it all was just scummy mindset when I misread it as a dumb tunneling townie.

He was doing like a similar kind of play with Alch except more brazen with it and seemed more ridiculous to begin with.
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Post Post #3534  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:14 pm

In post 3531, Firebringer wrote:I don't understand why you guys didn't lynch Alchemist today.

He was obviously trying to create rifts in peoples townreads to open more mislynch opportunities yesterday.

But damn I got fooled hard by Pintus obfuscating stupid townie play.


Mewtaph really threw us off unfortunately.
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Post Post #3535  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:15 pm

the reason i pl people who play like pintu did on 127-129 is that you can't let it stand as town and it makes it really easy as scum
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Post Post #3536  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:15 pm

don't text and drive. or get sidetracked from scum. Ur gonna have a bad time.
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Post Post #3537  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:20 pm

Oh right, Starcraft usually tends to become crappy playwise.
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Post Post #3538  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:23 pm

Blasphemy :P
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Post Post #3539  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:24 pm

In post 3535, RadiantCowbells wrote:the reason i pl people who play like pintu did on 127-129 is that you can't let it stand as town and it makes it really easy as scum


You're talking about his push on MS about a supposed scum tell, and then his quick turn around to a Proflavor lynch?

talk me through this a minute more if you have the time
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Post Post #3540  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:25 pm

In post 3511, Krazy wrote:Also big shoutout to mastina and schadd_ for helping design the setup! Love you guys <3 <3 <3
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Post Post #3541  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:27 pm

no his slip thing was complete fucking bullshit and if he was too dense to see it as town he deserved to die for it tbh
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Post Post #3542  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:29 pm

In post 3530, pinturicchio wrote:Volxen, your setup spec was scaringly accurate
It was also right for the wrong reasons, because the "air" unit...

...Wasn't acting as an air unit, but rather an air unit GENERATOR.

Krazy pointed out multiple times how Almost Chara's role indicated that the scum air unit was something generating air units, rather than a solo air unit carrying out attacks, so the whole idea was flawed from the beginning, even if the ultimate conclusion was correct. :P
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Post Post #3543  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:32 pm

In post 3541, RadiantCowbells wrote:no his slip thing was complete fucking bullshit and if he was too dense to see it as town he deserved to die for it tbh

And how did you realize it was Alch the remaining scum?

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Post Post #3544  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:33 pm

oh

alchemist was obviously scum lol like 100% of the time

i was uncertain about you but you would have been the second lynch over anyone else

mewtaph probably third?
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Post Post #3545  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm

But you said you read only three pages :P

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Post Post #3546  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm

i mean i read 3 pages and a bunch of d1 varsoon posts
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Post Post #3547  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:36 pm

MS’ flavor analysis being scarily accurate was the whole reason I said I wasn’t going to try to solve by flavor. Town me probably would have sheeped the hell outta the MS hydra following the PF flip.
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Post Post #3548  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:38 pm

In post 3545, pinturicchio wrote:But you said you read only three pages :P


Tbf those three pages were easily my scummiest. I was trying hard to shoot down FB’s scumread on me, and I wasn’t lying when I said RC is in the top 2 people that can read me.
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Post Post #3549  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:38 pm

3211 was literal 100% scumread

until then i hadn't rly decided
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