Starcraft Mafia: Legacy of the Void [Game Over]

[Almost50]

Almost50's rolecard:

INFESTED KERRIGAN
Welcome to Starcraft Mafia: Legacy of the Void!

Spoiler:


You are

Infested Kerrigan

, a town night 7 vigilante mason.

You are a mason with Flavor Leaf, who you know is town. You share a PT here: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=79424

You are a night 7 vigilante. On night 7, you may attempt to kill a player of your choice.

Win: You win when the mafia team has been removed.

Game thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=79422

Confirm: Please confirm by responding with your alignment and role name

Like what are the odds?

THAT is what I was trying to relay to you on D1.

[Liger_Zero]

Didn't know why they showed as logged in? What pipe are you smoking?

As in, they had no recollection of loggin in during the night. Read the scum discord when it is opened up, but yeah. They claimed ignorance to us too.

So yeah, that was a legit, actual, real defense, unless they were lying to their teammates.

So.

A townie defense of the circumstances in question did not exist.

No, I'm not claiming tha thydra was in any way townie, because they weren't.

I do think, however, that I might have to not play games with you because having to change the settings on your MS profile in order to not have to deal with baseless accusations...is really dumb. Dunno, but yeah. Kinda a stupid thing to have to concern yourself with.

Okay this is my issue though:

I see hydra online and I see not posting in the game. Looks like actively avoiding the game at crucial game times (especially when they were heavily under suspicion). Also during the night phase which just compounds that, because usually during nights I don't even log in (I know this is saying as though everyone plays like me, but I think most people aren't just doodling around during nights if they aren't playing the game during the day phase).

Secondly, I am not saying this was a 100% they are scum or that they couldn't have been doing what you say. Just reading the read during the night or just logging on by accident (which is weird and not something I think people do but w/e).

I think you are heavily ignoring the context to these surrounding situations and just simply pointing out that them being online and not doing anything in the game doesn't mean scum or town. Which I agree and have no problem with conceding. I was saying that the context of the situation made it become a thing in which it had meaning to it, and I was right. The only part I was wrong about was them using it to post in a scum PT.

So, you thinking this is baseless accusations or that you need to avoid me for it is, huh?

[Liger_Zero]

Liger inspite of your D1 you really turned your slot around. Without you I don't see the win as likely so I'd like to say well done to you for your play and humility.

Ico well done pushing your reads with conviction and being able to untunnel me.

Overall well done town, that was a good game even if I missed every satisfying quicklynch on scum.

Thank you, you played well too.

[Moongrass]

One of the previous paragons used activity as a means of reading people so it's likely just personal preference.

[MaryJoLisa]

@Nero Cain did you get our floral arrangement?

[Krazy]

tbh the Ellitell has almost never worked in any game I've been in

[Moongrass]

You haven't lived krazy

[Alchemist21]

Like seriously, it's too easy/dumb for people to get caught because they have purely unsafe claims(like in this case, a mod provided claim that directly overlapped with an existing town role...one that was likely to become confirmed as town via mechanically catching scum).

I mean in Starcraft 2 my mod-provided fakeclaim directly overlapped with a real town role... I think the other issue was that Volxen needed to adjust his roleclaim to be n2 or n3+

I will say that town asked for significantly more help with fakeclaims this game than scum did 0.o

That slot in Starcraft 2 got lynched after the counterclaim too. And then a lot of people said it was scum’s fault for not coming up with a better claim. Scumteam’s success in that game wasn’t really due to our provided claims.

But yeah overlap is generally bad unless it’s something like 5 Millers where it’s to the point that it’s NAI to have multiple.

[Alchemist21]

Actually considering both games, scum should just never try to fakeclaim Bulletproof.

[Liger_Zero]

Why did they claim bulletproof?

[Almost50]

Did I get a free win?

The less you post the more likely you win as Town.

Yeah, was looking forward to seeing your initial read list (before you went back and reversed every single one of them

correct

reads).

[Almost50]

Fun game everyone.

Props to Iconeum he really pushed the final two days lynches to get us the win when I didn't have the time or energy to do so.
Iconeum MVP.

Yes. Icon 100% brought us the win on spite of us (myself in particular).

[Almost50]

FGSm how far up should I go to reach the top of that discord channel? I don't like reading from the middle, so I am still climbing up to reach the start and it looks further than the South pole to me still.

[Cerberus v666]

@Liger: The context is irrelevant. The point is that you're placing lots of emphasis on activity, and it's dumb, and I personally find it distasteful, and feel that in order to play with you and not have to deal with this, given that my own regular habits would force me to deal with your accusations on this subject, I would have to change my settings, and I'll be damned if another person is allowed to exert influence like that over me. Same reason why I won't be avoiding games with you, but I will mock you and anyone else who listens to you on that subject endlessly in any game where it comes up.

Shadows claim was incredibly fumbled. I have no words really.

[Almost50]

Wouldn't you be outlogged in on your main not a hydra? Seems weird.

Not if you're using different browsers. Like now I'm using 2, and at one point I was using 3 different browsers. I would be logged on as A50, Almost Chara & AP all at the same time. It sucked because I used to still read everything using A50 so I kept alt slipping all the time. Now I almost never subscribe to games I play with any other account, and try my best to not be playing games with more than 2 accounts simultaneously. When I'm AP I am AP, and IF I was playing with the hydra account I'd have logout to switch accounts, while this main browser is always logged on as A50 for games/threads that A50 is subscribed to.

[Almost50]

@Cerb: Why was I left alive? Not that I mind, but why kill FL and not me?

[Liger_Zero]

@Liger: The context is irrelevant. The point is that you're placing lots of emphasis on activity, and it's dumb, and I personally find it distasteful, and feel that in order to play with you and not have to deal with this, given that my own regular habits would force me to deal with your accusations on this subject, I would have to change my settings, and I'll be damned if another person is allowed to exert influence like that over me. Same reason why I won't be avoiding games with you, but I will mock you and anyone else who listens to you on that subject endlessly in any game where it comes up.

Shadows claim was incredibly fumbled. I have no words really.

Well I don’t really consider the activity aspect for you to mean much so not sure if you think I apply this metric to everyone equally. It was specifically for my assessment of the hydra players. I don’t think you would avoid games as scum maybe I am wrong doesn’t seem in your wheelhouse.

But whatever floats your boat I suppose

Also hiding your status online doesn’t protect you from what I did.

[Cerberus v666]

@Cerb: Why was I left alive? Not that I mind, but why kill FL and not me?

FL was killed for reasons wholly unrelated to the mason soft claim.

You were left alive because youhad shown willingness tk listen to volxen, as well as expressed a townread on them.

[Cerberus v666]

@Liger: I wouldn't, though I do active lurk all the time. I'm a compulsive refresher, and am basically always up to date in my games, but I'll choose to not post plenty of times(largely because I know I can absolute explode the post count of a game if I responded with all my thoughts as I read).

And it being unavoidable is even more distasteful.

[Firebringer]

this really doesn't seem any different than saying X has been posting elsewhere on the site but is actively avoiding the game. Doesn't seem out there or new, except for i guess the viewing of profile to see that the person has been online. I don't know if i have seen that before, but still in the same position as seeing a person has been posting elsewhere.

not seeing what is so wrong about that.

also shiro was town and i am shocked. shocked.

[the worst]

Not a hydra. You log onto your hydra to post. Not read games.

NO no no. People log into their hydra to READ THE GAME THEIR HYDRA IS IN.

I mean, literally don't have any way to access my hydra games on my main because I never bookmark anything, and if I have to navigate through the site to find the game I'm just not going to do it.

I do this
Liger, a lot of people prefer when you scumhunt through what's in the thead not out of game influences. MS doesn't ban it but it's a fairly unrespectable way of playing the game and produces some dubious results.

[Cerberus v666]

this really doesn't seem any different than saying X has been posting elsewhere on the site but is actively avoiding the game. Doesn't seem out there or new, except for i guess the viewing of profile to see that the person has been online. I don't know if i have seen that before, but still in the same position as seeing a person has been posting elsewhere.

not seeing what is so wrong about that.

also shiro was town and i am shocked. shocked.

The thing is, fb, that when someone is posting *nowhere* that's actually used as an argument *against* activity questions, whereas in this case just checking login and assuming it means active lurking is both something that can't be defended against, and is easily completely meaningless.

[Pink Ball]

Move on people, boring topic. Let's talk about how amazing our PPG roleplay was and how much you missed it during the rest of the game

[MaryJoLisa]

@Cerb: Why was I left alive? Not that I mind, but why kill FL and not me?

Why do you assume it was @Cerb? Maybe it was just because I liked you.

[Cerberus v666]

Also, i get your point FB. I guess it just feels so egregious because it's based on something you can't actually control if you choose to login, and because other, similar pushes are based on an action taken, rather than the absence of any action, which you then attach meaning to.

Like, do we really want to oush people to never read their games unless they're prepared to make posts as well? Because that's what this does.

And just another point...I've definitely noted such things myself, and used it as another data point...but I've never used it as part of a case against someone. Bringing it to the thread is definitely ageist the spirit of the rules.