The Mystery Box Of Silver 5: Clash of Cash death grips

[Chickadead]

For the record, all these "I would be okay with your lynch" posts are far from great. It's not a town thought process considering it's based off of a claim alone. My decision to not out reads is the most optimal thing I can do achieve my win condition. If anyone wants to argue that that's why they're okay with my lynch, then your argument is that you're okay with lynching me because I'm playing for my win condition.

Take that however you will, but it's something worth keeping in mind going forward.

[The Three Musketeers]

Well then

Is there any reason to keep uncooperative survivor alive? No

Is there any reason to lynch them on the spot? From mechanical standpoint - not really. But there is another thing - if survivor is hindering our progress, namely if people will spend their time on discussing survivor's actions or whether we should lynch them or not instead of trying progress game, lynching survivor is best course of action to avoid this WIFOM and increase our chances to find scum. So we have to answer simple question - can we completely ignore survivor for now? If not, we should lynch them

Lastly, I always was advocate for D1 lynch and never accepted no lynch D1, so if we can't find decent lynch I'm more than happy to lynch you just to avoid unnecessary shenanigans

Also, your wincon don't have anything to do with us or our wincon, but is rather a hindrance, so why we should care about your wincon?

[The Three Musketeers]

Well then

Is there any reason to keep uncooperative survivor alive? No

Is there any reason to lynch them on the spot? From mechanical standpoint - not really. But there is another thing - if survivor is hindering our progress, namely if people will spend their time on discussing survivor's actions or whether we should lynch them or not instead of trying progress game, lynching survivor is best course of action to avoid this WIFOM and increase our chances to find scum. So we have to answer simple question - can we completely ignore survivor for now? If not, we should lynch them

Lastly, I always was advocate for D1 lynch and never accepted no lynch D1, so if we can't find decent lynch I'm more than happy to lynch you just to avoid unnecessary shenanigans

Also, your wincon don't have anything to do with us or our wincon, but is rather a hindrance, so why we should care about your wincon?

~Aramis

[Old Dogs]

this is a stupid conversation, you dont take a 0% chance to lynch mafia over a >0% chance to lynch mafia on D1

yes, if we're close to lylo it's an inevitable policy lynch but let's just let the chips fall where they may and let the survivor play optimally so they dont get shot by scum

[Chickadead]

Is there any reason to keep uncooperative survivor alive? No

There's a difference between uncooperative and playing to my win condition. You're not being very cooperative by focusing on my claim instead of focusing on other things (waiting on other people to post, scum hunting, etc.), so that's a bit ironic coming from you. There's no evidence that focusing on my slot will help you going forward, and it feels like you're just posting for the sake of posting.

Is there any reason to lynch them on the spot? From mechanical standpoint - not really. But there is another thing - if survivor is hindering our progress, namely if people will spend their time on discussing survivor's actions or whether we should lynch them or not instead of trying progress game, lynching survivor is best course of action to avoid this WIFOM and increase our chances to find scum. So we have to answer simple question - can we completely ignore survivor for now? If not, we should lynch them

This is all a bunch of nothing, honestly. It also reinforces my thought about you posting for the sake of posting.

Lastly, I always was advocate for D1 lynch and never accepted no lynch D1, so if we can't find decent lynch I'm more than happy to lynch you just to avoid unnecessary shenanigans

This is basically playing against your own win condition since you'd rather lynch someone who openly claimed survivor (which effectively narrowed down town's lynch pool) over lynching potential scum. This is also far from a town thought process considering that I would never care about lynching a survivor claim if I were town, and would rather lynch scum any day.

Also, your wincon don't have anything to do with us or our wincon, but is rather a hindrance, so why we should care about your wincon?

Your win condition doesn't have anything to do with mine either, what's your point? My win condition isn't a hindrance unless you want it to be.

[ElevenThirty]

You're not incentivizing me to keep u alive tho - you've basically announced that ur more concerned about scum than town, and that u are therefore playing to appease them, and that u aren't interested in furthering town's wincon. Like ur playing to ur own self-interest, and it doesnt coincide with mine

Like i dont think ur my go to lynch but i'm not going to protest ur lynch either, and if idk where to vote at deadline it's prob going to be u.

Shrug.

What? I'm not more concerned about scum. I'm concerned about getting night-killed which directly plays against my win condition. Of course I'm playing for my own self-interest since it's in my own self-interest to stay alive. That's the whole point of a Survivor.

i mean, getting lynched during the day is just as much against ur wincon as getting nk'd at night
and my point is that your'e significantly more concerned about the latter than the former, and the way you're planning on playing reflects that - and it goes directly against *my* wincon, which makes me significantly less likely to do anything to try to prevent your lynch.

like yeah, you need to play to your own wincon, but you need to keep in mind the wincon of the many other people in this game too - not just the scum who can nk you at ngiht, but also the town who can lynch you during the day. i can't do anything about the former, but i'm prob going to have a decent amount of sway over the latter, and i have basically no reason to help u if you're not going to help *me*.

basically i'm telling you that you need to not piss off town as a survivor too, and you kinda did that

who am i talking to btw?

[ElevenThirty]

oh cool we have an avi now

[ElevenThirty]

There's a difference between uncooperative and playing to my win condition. You're not being very cooperative by focusing on my claim instead of focusing on other things (waiting on other people to post, scum hunting, etc.), so that's a bit ironic coming from you. There's no evidence that focusing on my slot will help you going forward, and it feels like you're just posting for the sake of posting.

you're not being cooperative by refusing to share scumreads, i mean seriously

[ElevenThirty]

Your win condition doesn't have anything to do with mine either, what's your point? My win condition isn't a hindrance unless you want it to be.

of course it's a hinderance if you're not going to be trying to lynch scum

and three musketeers are pretty townie

and i have work so later

[Old Dogs]

VOTE: ElevenThirty

i wanted to save this read for later when people like actually checked in but literally every post skitter makes makes me want to eviscerate the slot more and more

[Old Dogs]

also im dayvigging the next person to talk about the survivor claim

[Chickadead]

i mean, getting lynched during the day is just as much against ur wincon as getting nk'd at night
and my point is that your'e significantly more concerned about the latter than the former, and the way you're planning on playing reflects that - and it goes directly against *my* wincon, which makes me significantly less likely to do anything to try to prevent your lynch.

like yeah, you need to play to your own wincon, but you need to keep in mind the wincon of the many other people in this game too - not just the scum who can nk you at ngiht, but also the town who can lynch you during the day. i can't do anything about the former, but i'm prob going to have a decent amount of sway over the latter, and i have basically no reason to help u if you're not going to help *me*.

basically i'm telling you that you need to not piss off town as a survivor too, and you kinda did that

who am i talking to btw?

Neither Duck or I are concerned about getting lynched during the day, and it's not something that ever crossed our mind. We're not concerned about it because we don't think it's something that's ever going to happen.

I never said I wasn't going to help anyone, I said that I wasn't going to out any reads. I will still be conversing and outing some thoughts, but I won't be as direct as I normally am. This assumption that I'm actively playing against town's win condition and that I pissed them off seems like a bit of a stretch. If you understand that I need to play for my win condition, then giving me shit over not outing reads seems a bit two-faced. You do realize that if I played and outed reads as I normally would that I would just get night-killed, right?

My vote will still be there, and it's not like I'll be going out of my way to vote town. I feel like you guys are misunderstanding a very simple thing.

There's a difference between uncooperative and playing to my win condition. You're not being very cooperative by focusing on my claim instead of focusing on other things (waiting on other people to post, scum hunting, etc.), so that's a bit ironic coming from you. There's no evidence that focusing on my slot will help you going forward, and it feels like you're just posting for the sake of posting.

you're not being cooperative by refusing to share scumreads, i mean seriously

Are you being cooperative by focusing on my claim and my decisions around it? Your goal should be to find scum, not argue with me about what I should and shouldn't do. This game just started and I feel like you're making a lot of assumptions about how I'm going to play based on the few things I've said.

of course it's a hinderance if you're not going to be trying to lynch scum

It's only going to be a hindrance if you keep talking about my claim. Focus on what's important for you (aka scum hunting).

TL;DR: You all need to really stop focusing on our claim, and scum hunt instead. There's no evidence that any of these discussions or argument will help you find scum, so why bother?

[Old Dogs]

I feel like you guys are misunderstanding a very simple thing.

it's deliberate

[The Three Musketeers]

this is a stupid conversation, you dont take a 0% chance to lynch mafia over a >0% chance to lynch mafia on D1

yes, if we're close to lylo it's an inevitable policy lynch but let's just let the chips fall where they may and let the survivor play optimally so they dont get shot by scum

At least we agree that no lynch D1 is bad

Aside form that, I'd rather lynch 3p over taking high stakes gamble for scum lynch with low success %

P-Edit:

Let me ask you then, how you going to cooperate with us in finding and lynching scum? You not sharing any reads, so sheeping biggest wagon? It's not much of a help

I'd rather not lynch town, which is playing against my wincon more than lynching survivor. So let me reiterate - if chance to lynch scum is low, I'd rather take safe option and lynch 3p that is not essential to my wincon

Yes, survivor is a hindrance - more people alive means we need more votes for a majority, so it's harder to lynch scum

P-P-Edit: Care to tell us where to start scumhunting then? Cause I have no leads

~Aramis

[Old Dogs]

At least we agree that no lynch D1 is bad

Aside form that, I'd rather lynch 3p over taking high stakes gamble for scum lynch with low success %

the point

---->

your head

how do you feel about 1130?

[The Three Musketeers]

At least we agree that no lynch D1 is bad

Aside form that, I'd rather lynch 3p over taking high stakes gamble for scum lynch with low success %

the point

---->

your head

how do you feel about 1130?

Ok then, I will ask straight - what is your plan, if we can't get a consensus on lynch at EoD?

Well, they townreading us, so I like them

Aside from that, I see no reason to scumread them, rather contrary, I feel like scum would want preserve survivor instead of getting rid of them D1. This will bring us to fact that I feel iffy about your efforts to get people from survivor lynch

~Aramis

[Old Dogs]

a survivor has every intent to survive - theyre going to help us get a majority lynch if we dont have enough votes because they dont care about who gets lynched, we can basically treat their reads/usefulness as effectively random as your average townie. outside of lylo we know theyre not going to quickhammer because that's tantamount to a policy lynch the next day. i fully expect them to be civilized and at least helpful in terms of getting votes together if it's needed to get a majority.

the annoying thing about ms meta is that somehow people think that lynching non-killing 3p day 1 is a good thing because it's not town? which in turn lets scum get "towncred" from lynching "scum" when really it was just a policy lynch that helps town wincon barely anymore than a mislynch. sure basically playing in evens sucks but also having one less slot to read increases our chance of actually hitting groupscum

so, i wholly disagree that scum have any incentive to keep the survivor alive D1 - the vast majority of people are going to want to kill it, so scum are going to want to blend in. i'd rather hit groupscum today and if we keep messing up to the point where we're realistically going to hit lylo in a day or two, then it's time to policy the survivor

[Old Dogs]

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actually with the 3 slots out of the game in addition only having to sort 11 slots is a net positive

[Old Dogs]

*in addition to the survivor

[Old Dogs]

oh i guess we still need 8 votes to lynch, nvm thats disgusting

[The Three Musketeers]

You didn't answered my question - what is your plan, if we don't get consensus at EoD?

Also, there's 14 slots (including survivor) to sort, it's 18p game

~Aramis

[Vorkuta]

I don't see what the problem is with working with a survivor.
If our winconditions align, there's no mechanical edge to gain by ever lynching them, provided they cooperate with us.

[Old Dogs]

You didn't answered my question - what is your plan, if we don't get consensus at EoD?

Also, there's 14 slots (including survivor) to sort, it's 18p game

when do you ever have a "plan" for what to do at eod - if you cant agree on a lynch you compromise, and im sure the survivor will vote with the majority at deadline

and mb, so that's not as gross if we have 13 other slots and 15 votes

pedit: our wincons dont align at all (survivor's is to just live) but that doesnt mean we should kill them

[Old Dogs]

like compromising onto the survivor is horrible if you're leading me onto that answer, there are slots that can actually flip mafia that can be compromised onto

[The Three Musketeers]

Indeed, also those other slots can flip town too, why that's not a concern to you at all?