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Post Post #3475 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:42 pm

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In post 3465, Flavor Leaf wrote:So Bingle, I’m expecting you to protect me here, because there’s absolutely zero way you scum read me here as town.
I spent most of the time I was on in the night phase arguing against you being vigged. I'll do the same tonight if Marquis wants to shoot you again.

For the record, I told Marquis to shoot JJD, or failing that, to holster. Because in my eyes shooting you or pops just brings us that much closer to the loss.

And yeah I have a reason for thinking the hood is all town. It's pretty solid imo. I'd be pretty down with you joining us so I can tell you without prying scumfucks listening in.
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Post Post #3476 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:43 pm

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In post 1530, Gorkington wrote:i still dont understand why anyone is assuming FL is trueclaiming.
In post 1532, Gorkington wrote:have you played with FL before?
In post 1561, Gorkington wrote:
In post 1557, Croag wrote:idk if i believe FL?
do you believe pelican though
is probably the more interesting question?
pops wrote:What do you think about the application of this to Bingle?
is there something specific that Bingle said in relation to this?
from what i can tell it looks like hes considered the possibility of flavor fakeclaiming here.
In post 1573, Gorkington wrote:
In post 1569, popsofctown wrote:He is casting lots of shade on the idea that townFL could be fakeclaiming here.
The townFL I have played with could be fakeclaiming here.
its probably worthwhile to poke at what Bingle's experiences with scumFL vs townFL are.
i dont think its improbable for townBingle to have that opinion.
croag wrote:im gonna say pops and fl are scum

this is just a guess
based on what specifically though?
In post 1574, Gorkington wrote:and to be clear i think "i dont think flavor would fakeclaim as town" vs "i dont think flavor would fakeclaim like this as town" are two separate questions
where someone dancing in the former category is wayyyyyyyyyyy more questionable than the latter.
In post 1609, Gorkington wrote:this game is very educational thank you professor boon
In post 1639, Gorkington wrote:
pelican wrote:It's draining responding when most of what I'm getting back is "yeah this is scum" it's not conducive for any real discussion, even if it doesn't garner a townread on me. Most of the questions directed at me feel more like people looking for extra reasoning to scumread me and not genuinely engage me.
but you think that most of the people calling you scum are scum
so why are you just responding to them and not pointing out why theyre scum?

i feel like its a pretty sweeping simplification of the situation to imply that theres no reason that town should scumread you when you are literally not trying to push anyone.
do you feel like people should be reading you as town here?
pelican wrote:I didn't want to go ehh, FL town means scum are likely defending me or avoiding the lynch and influence what the wagon looks like.
im not sure i understand. are you saying you were trying to bait the rest of the wagon out before saying that you felt like scum would be sidelining if flavor is town?
wouldnt that mean that literally all of your reads are entirely circumstantial based on flavor and not based on people's specific play?
In post 1645, Gorkington wrote:i realize im being a question machine right now
so forgive me if this is getting annoying

but can you walk through some specific reasoning as to why you think FL is scum here?
whats he doing that you think is specifically scum motivated/is unlikely to come from town him?
specific examples of posts would be ideal.
In post 1647, Gorkington wrote:because FL might be fakeclaiming as town
there might be a scum roleblocker

if pelican is just scum its optimal to just lynch him
In post 1860, Gorkington wrote:im back to thinking peli is scum.
In post 1876, Gorkington wrote:whatever ill own the egg on my face if pelican is town.

is he l-2 right now?

will give him a chance to drop last will and testament before voting in case i counted votes wrong.


Wow, Gorkington had a lot to say about me tbh. And they also started to push Bingle when Pelican/Myself we’re getting pushed to cross kill.

Chenn’s probably Scum. Look at how he comments on the Fish slot, specifically in relation to the Kuribo vs Fish. He pushed it as “hopeful TvT”
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Post Post #3477 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:44 pm

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In post 3475, Bingle wrote:
In post 3465, Flavor Leaf wrote:So Bingle, I’m expecting you to protect me here, because there’s absolutely zero way you scum read me here as town.
I spent most of the time I was on in the night phase arguing against you being vigged. I'll do the same tonight if Marquis wants to shoot you again.

For the record, I told Marquis to shoot JJD, or failing that, to holster. Because in my eyes shooting you or pops just brings us that much closer to the loss.

And yeah I have a reason for thinking the hood is all town. It's pretty solid imo. I'd be pretty down with you joining us so I can tell you without prying scumfucks listening in.
Noted.

I actually think Chennisden/JJD has a lot of scum equity together, tbh.
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Post Post #3478 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:46 pm

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In post 620, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 328, Flavor Leaf wrote:Maybe he has a bad memory.
In post 329, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t remember where i played with him
Interesting! I think this makes FL town? (my LAW supersedes anyone else's reads)
Hmm. I may have gotten pocketed subconsciously pretty early.

Which checks out because I’m 3 for 3 with catching scumA50.
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Post Post #3479 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:47 pm

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In post 742, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:OK.. so I now understand what Chandra is saying. Still, we are guaranteed no results from the parity cop on D2. This helmet really is keeping me from thinking straight.
Don’t like this.
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Post Post #3480 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:49 pm

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In post 885, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 793, Chandra Nalaar wrote:Town: kuribo, pops
Scum: fishmonger, dredd
Why is pops town? Why is Fish'er scum?
Ugggghhh....

A50, you had me in the pocket.
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Post Post #3481 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:52 pm

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In post 1765, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 1290, Flavor Leaf wrote:He was actively buttering up and appealing to me because he knew I was a Vig and didn’t want to get shot, but he knew by town reading me directly and too hard, I’d get suspicious, so if you look back at our previous back and forth, he also had an off trajectory
I said OK, dammit! Let someone else speak

(And now you know why FL wasn't playing the game YET, because once he got the mic he assumes its his own property for good) :P
In post 1768, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 1303, Bingle wrote:Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?
That's not how I see it.

What I see is FL is 100% TOWN here (and NOT lying about his role.. this has to do with how survivalistic FL is as scum).

PP is very likely caught scum, but not 100%. There's a slight chance of mod-fuckery here still.

But I do believe in lynching PP anyway now because I support gun control. :P (Yes, I do. ONLY JUDGES should have access to any kind of lethal weapon). :wink:
In post 1778, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 1653, ofrhz wrote:Yeah and I'm challenging the read. It's a read that doesn't take into account that FL is good at scum and just generally projects confidence
This is ofrhz knowing PP (the fake one :wink: ) is flipping town and is lining up FL for a mislynch.
In post 1780, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 1675, Gorkington wrote:i think i want this
VOTE: bingle
I can get behind that for now

VOTE: Bingle
Ugggh.

Yeah, It’s JJD-Chennis.
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Post Post #3482 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:57 pm

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In post 1557, Croag wrote:idk if i believe FL?
This seems genuine and town genuine not scum genuine
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Post Post #3483 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:58 pm

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In post 1561, Gorkington wrote:
In post 1557, Croag wrote:idk if i believe FL?
do you believe pelican though
is probably the more interesting question?
pops wrote:What do you think about the application of this to Bingle?
is there something specific that Bingle said in relation to this?
from what i can tell it looks like hes considered the possibility of flavor fakeclaiming here.
This seems like a ploy to get Croag on one of the wagons, actually.

I’m pretty comfortable with TownCroag, tbh, but I’m going to ISO her some more.
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Post Post #3484 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:59 pm

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In post 1571, Croag wrote:
In post 1566, Gorkington wrote:croag
ive got an even better question than the question i asked you or the other question that you were never asked but answered before

its
who do you think is scum and who do you think is not scum
and even better than that
is why do you think that
DOL wrote:Tbh it feels like he's avoiding to talk to me at all
he seems like the sort of person that would be difficult to extract any information from without insulting him
or threatening to lynch him

so maybe threaten to lynch him and call him dumb or something while doing that

i have no idea

im gonna say pops and fl are scum

this is just a guess

i missed a lot & missed peoples reactions
I don’t see scum ever doing this.

UNVOTE: Whoever I was voting, I think it was Pops slot still
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Post Post #3485 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:00 pm

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In post 3481, Flavor Leaf wrote:Yeah, It’s JJD-Chennis.
Fucking Finally.
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Post Post #3486 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:03 pm

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In post 1831, Croag wrote:VOTE: bingle

For some reason I’m getting scum vibes here

He seems to be speaking less than town!bingle

I know that’s meta but like eh

Also, I genuinely don’t get the thing with perry

I think it’s semantics
Like I can’t remember word for word my role pm and I wouldn’t want someone to hold it against me
In post 1850, Croag wrote:so can someone explain to me definitively, why, perry is scum

the way it looks to me is he is a miller (which by defn appears as scum) and said this

and apparently... that makes him scum? does this mean the miller neighbourhood DONT appear as scum? otherwise whats the issue
In post 1858, Croag wrote:wait lmao im even more confused

not that i dont want it but why is what im saying clearing me

it seems ive found the secret formula
In post 1969, Croag wrote:Lmaoooooo someone please explain the scum read on me right now

U bantering
In post 2381, Croag wrote:i want to trust in my hood

i dont think any of them are maf

can someone double confirm to me who has claimed what hood and who they are with please

sorry to be a pain
In post 2513, Croag wrote:
In post 2411, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2407, chennisden wrote:im looking at popsofctown today
Don’t.

Do it tomorrow.

Pops is confirmable.
why tomorrow? why not today?
In post 2519, Croag wrote:
In post 2473, Flavor Leaf wrote:You know what?

Why not just lynch Croag? I feel like it’s going to be that big of an issue, why the hell not just lynch Croag today? Does anybody town read the slot? Like, I am not scum reading them by any means, but if croag’s town, they’re gonna be mislynched eventually anyways. Let’s just vote them.

VOTE: Croag
scummiest post ive ever read

>not scum reading them
>lets just lynch them anyway

lmao
In post 2525, Croag wrote:Oh and im 50% sure chenn is scum

I'm not sure how many scum there are though?
In post 2524, Croag wrote:
In post 2520, Vecna wrote:popping in here, quickly browing the last 3-4 pages, throwing out some unreadable responses......not exactly allowing us to sort you either.

Youre not playing the game. You dont have any reads. You dont make any statements that allow us to read you.

Either its a strategy, or you should just not be playing (because youre not).

How do you propose we deal with your slot croag?
i have read the entire thread & just now read all pages from when i last was here.

I have already given my reads.

The entirety of my hood is town. That is my read and that is something I have already posted in here. Just because everyone else was saying the same thing, apparently, does not make it any less valid that it is coming from me.

I have voted for pops. That is one of my reads for a scum slot.

If you want other reads from me, I think DOL and JJD are scum.

Theres some reads, enjoy.
In post 2532, Croag wrote:considering no one is helping me out

ive just read every post where hood was mentioned

can someone confirm to me if i have this right


{
Vecna
Marquis
Bingle
}

{
Croag
Penguin
Chandra
Kagami
}

{
Pops
FL
Perry - vig? town and dead
}

{
JJD
OFRHZ
DOL
Chenn
}

I haven't been able to sort Pine, Fish or Kuribo. I'm not sure what
Teenage Troublemaker
Self-Proclaimed Anarchist
Laboratory Technician
means and what hood that implies they are in

why is there 17 players? was there one hood with 5 in?
In post 2540, Croag wrote:
In post 2538, Vecna wrote:Kuribo, Fish and Pine were apparently together in a hood.

For all we know, Kuribo was actually a suicide bomber and just exploded on Fish.

Heck, I actually like that idea, it fits somewhat with self-proclaimed anarchist flavour, and at least that would somehow explain why he suddenly went and claimed the way he did (after making up his mind he was 100% gonna explode on Fish).

I probably couldnt be further from the truth, but I wouldve liked that to actually have been what happened.

makes sense

fsr i just thought it was 4, 4, 4, 4, (1) because mine is a 4


You know, a lot of these just scream NAI or slightly townie, but when putting them all together, I’m lock towning this slot. No more ISO necessary for Croag.

I also really liked the 50% Chen scum read they had, which actually makes me feel more comfortable about my ChennScum solve.
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Post Post #3487 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:05 pm

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In post 2051, Flavor Leaf wrote:Chandra
Kagami
Penguin
Judge Joseph
Possible pops?

Have at least one scum in them likely
I was already correct with this. Possibly one more, and like, JJD.

PP i’m ISO’ing right now, and I honestly feel like he’d have pushed me harder if he were scum, or would currently be on me even if he’s VLA.
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Post Post #3488 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:07 pm

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In post 2056, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 2044, Flavor Leaf wrote:Ofhrz
Vecna
D1 Lynch
Gorkington/chenn
Croag
Bingle
Marquis

Probably contain at least 2 scum since Fish is flipped scum on wagon.
Will gladly lynch Bingle or ofrhz, and I won't fight against a Croag lynch either but I don't have a read either way on him (since he hardly said anything on D1)
Hmm. I guess so could have flipped it.
Very interesting that the entirety of this list makes up the entirety of the playerlist minus myself, Gobbledygook, and Penguin.

I think that clears the 3 of us.

However, I do only think there is one scum in this list now, and this is another point against Chennis.
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Post Post #3489 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:08 pm

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In post 2058, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 2051, Flavor Leaf wrote:Chandra
Kagami
Penguin
Judge Joseph
Possible pops?

Have at least one scum in them likely
It's not me nor PP and unlikely to be pops
Scum wanted Kagami dead here, didn’t they?
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Post Post #3490 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:09 pm

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In post 2063, Flavor Leaf wrote:Bingle/D1L is probably where I’m still leaning.

Gut is screaming, screaming, screaming Chandar. I go in and out of town reading/scum reading then
Yay. Another point in the FL gut for the win column.

Also, right prior to this, JJD was commenting in a way to say Pops/Bingle was TVS, so a double mislynch string.
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Post Post #3491 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:11 pm

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In post 2071, Chandra Nalaar wrote:Really, were going to vca scum into arbitrary piles now? Can we not waste our time on such pointless exercises?
AWESOME!!!

This means my VCA is likely pretty decent.
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Post Post #3492 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:13 pm

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In post 2074, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2070, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 2063, Flavor Leaf wrote:Bingle/D1L is probably where I’m still leaning.

Gut is screaming, screaming, screaming Chandar. I go in and out of town reading/scum reading then
I am fully against a D1L wagon. In fact him & chenn are TRs for me
Well, you’re probably wrong with one of those.

If Bingle flips scum, you’re scum with one of those.
IT’S SOLVED!!!

THE GAME IS DONE!

Yay!!!!!!!!

I knew something was up with JJD back then, especially in regards to Bingle.

I made a connection between JJD and Chen earlier, but it was too soon to be so specific. D1L I guess has a little scum equity, but I genuinely think D1L is town now.

Let’s go JJD/Chennis today
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Post Post #3493 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:13 pm

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In post 2075, Flavor Leaf wrote:If Bingle flips town*
OH!!! Oh my god!

I had it correct there!
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Post Post #3494 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:15 pm

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In post 2076, popsofctown wrote:Flavor Leaf your reads are terrible
In post 2087, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 2075, Flavor Leaf wrote:If Bingle flips town*
OK, that's a bit better.. but still.. 2 scums with a 1-shot unknown sanity Doctor?? REALLY??

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

He also said that if there is one scum in his neighborhood, it’s ofrhz, and played with D1L and cleared him and Chen.
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Post Post #3495 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:16 pm

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In post 2093, chennisden wrote:I've given a few reads in the doc PT and here they are:

PP town
pops/Bingle scum
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Pine leantown
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townread on JJD, idc if it's controversial
Wooooooooootttt
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Post Post #3496 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:18 pm

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In post 2115, chennisden wrote:Well ok JJD is town that's not a bad read
In post 2121, chennisden wrote:Pops your reads feel really easy

I’m gonna stop pretty soon, I’m just continuing my reread.

I’m pretty happy with this solve.
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Post Post #3497 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:18 pm

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In post 2133, chennisden wrote:I think there's scum in pops/bingle
:lol:

This is definitely the scum play to make
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Post Post #3498 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:23 pm

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In post 2202, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
In post 2173, Flavor Leaf wrote:I just don’t see 2 scum within that neighborhood

Combination of everything
I also don't see it being an all town PT. That'd be absurd.
In post 2210, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
In post 2063, Flavor Leaf wrote:Bingle/D1L is probably where I’m still leaning.

Gut is screaming, screaming, screaming Chandar. I go in and out of town reading/scum reading then
Do I already have to quote the post or are you backing down from that now.

Do you do this on purpose as both alignments or something so that no one can expect to pin you down to any opinion ever?
In post 2212, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
In post 2073, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2071, Chandra Nalaar wrote:Really, were going to vca scum into arbitrary piles now? Can we not waste our time on such pointless exercises?
Like I said, this is probably scum.

My VCA isn’t like normal VCA.

I’m the docta of wagonomics.
Okay chucklefuck, listen up.

This is always the shit people give me and I am beyond over it. Every one of you colored votecount hugging geniuses thinks you have 600 IQ and no one else understands coloring in vote counts as well as you.

I spend every game complaining about this and you all react the same way. This knee jerk bullshit that I must be scum discrediting you because you're so brilliant and totally onto me.

It is just completely divorced from reality. I have had this pointless conversation in every game I've played since goddamn well 2014 or whenever every new guy who thinks hes solved this game started turning mod posts red and green all the time. I have the fucking receipts. I have a wall of quotes from myself saying it in every game as every alignment and smashing my stupid head against the wall because this "tactic" is so. Frustrating.

Am I just some relic, nostalgic for bygone days when we played mafia and judged players on their words and their actions rather than try to make a numbers game out of something that at its core defies numbers? You bet I am. I know these posts I'm making dont accomplish anything. I'm not town here thinking I'm gonna change the ways of anyone who thinks they're the hottest thing since isaac newton invented calculus. I'm not scum here thinking that screaming into the void about it is somehow going to make anyone townread me. Im just a dude who's frustrated that after all the time I've watched people do this, they never learn. They just keep on going pretending they can reduce a game of social deception, that's interesting and has layers, to a math problem. If you want to shuffle some numbers around, go take an algebra class. Shitting up the thread with rainbow player names and bar deductions based on the idea that scum would never vote together or whatever the fuck is basically offensive to anyone who thinks this game is or should be should be fun or interesting.

In conclusion, bite me.
In post 2215, Chandra Nalaar wrote:Y'all. Can I please implore you to stop assuming there cant be two scum in one neighborhood. I dont want to lose the game to your crappy setup spec if I die and the mod felt even MILDLY tricksy.


We just solved the ga-ame.

We just solved the ga-ame.

We just solved the ga-ame. I wonder what they’ll say!
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Post Post #3499 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:16 pm

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In post 2300, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
In post 2299, Day One Wagon wrote:
In post 2283, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
In post 2241, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:This is true as a genera; aspect. However, we/I are/am not doing it blindly. I am considering powers too. Like, what do you think are the chances for a mod to put 0/1/2/3 unkillable scums in a 17-players setup?? What if you know there ARE 3 players that cannot be killed at night? OK, how about a 1-shot Doctor with unknown sanity? Would you be giving TWO scums those roles, given the other powers already outed?
I dont believe they are truly unkillable. Otherwise a lone scum would concede to two town bulletproofs.

Yes, I would be fine putting two scum in the doc hood. Especially if one of them were the CPR doctor.
You're aware that we are 1-shot docs, right?
Yes. So what? I dont understand.

This is not a S/S interaction.
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