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Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:54 pm

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In post 1972, mastina wrote:
In post 1906, Ankamius wrote:Okay, I'm just going to go into this now because this shit is very relevant to my alignment.

1. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that Jingle almost always drafts me in his first set of picks; if not his first, always his second. He's seen enough of how I play
and I've literally HARD STOMPED HIS SCUMTEAM
before. He's either modded or played in a lot of my stronger games on my main account this year, and he was in my strongest scum game of this year. Because of this,
Pine has to draft me first if he wants me on his team
. He can't rely on being able to pick me for his team after the first draft, and that's even assuming that he is aware of Jingle and my history on the site.

2. The way I'm playing this game makes absolutely no sense for scum!me. I'm very well aware of my weaknesses as scum, most notably being that I am able to fake the majority of my towntells, but not at the same time. I can't hyperpost, make believable trajectories, AND be consistent tonally at the same time. In this game, I have been among the top posters for a lot of the game, outputted a lot of reads, and yet nobody has been able to pick up on any major tonal discrepancies up to this point. This is my scumgame of the century in the case that I'm actually scum this game.

3. I'm purposely holding myself back. I'm partially doing this because of the hyperposting thing and I don't want to create another Starry Night out of respect for those that don't want very fast games, but the more prevalent reason for why I'm holding myself back is because
it will not end well if I go hard and start going by my own rules and mindset towards how I play.
I work best when I have enough sway over the game to get the flips I need to narrow down the game to a winnable state, and I learned a harsh lesson from Anuket Topaz that when I try to go that route when there's enough leader/rebellious/etc. types in the game, I compromise my own ability to reach the flips I want and tilt out of the game, literally becoming useless to everybody. This playerlist is very very likely to resist me if I go this route and just cause a bunch of drama bullshit in the thread that it really doesn't need. It's better for me to hold back and do what I can from the background to keep the playerlist focused.

4. I'm pretty much always a nightkill by scum this game as town, most likely in midgame somewhere before I hit my stride and start hitting outright solves. I'd be surprised if scum didn't have at least one person that was aware of this, and Pine has seen a recent enough example to believe it.

5. Alisae, this is specifically to you: I've literally never played with Menalque before. I don't know how he plays. He fits the specific type of player I've been trying to hunt for because the way I'm seeing the game, that specific type is the most likely to hold scum. His response to me was horrific. At best, he has a playstyle that will always result in false positives for me, but I don't actually understand what about him is townreadable unless he just has one of those weird playstyles I can't actually read.
And.
What if I told you.
That in my planned readslist wallpost where I'd explain my read on you.
The entirety of what I was going to say was,
"There's only one world in which Ank is town, and that's if Jingle sniped her before Pine could pick her up"?
this logic is sound, but you also have to apply it the other way: There's only one world in which I'm scum, and that's if I am Pine's first draft.

If I'm not Pine's first draft, then I'm town.
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Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:54 pm

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ok bye
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Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:55 pm

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WAIT NO DON'T LEAVE
I'M SORRY
IT WAS A JOKE
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Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:56 pm

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ALYSSA PLEASE :(
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Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:01 pm

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Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:02 pm

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Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:04 pm

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idk alisae

I feel like at this point it should be obvious to people that have a decent amount of exposure to both my towngame and my scumgame should be able to tell that I'm not scum
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Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:05 pm

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ank ur playing so lazy
wtf is wrong
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I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:06 pm

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In post 1906, Ankamius wrote:3. I'm purposely holding myself back. I'm partially doing this because of the hyperposting thing and I don't want to create another Starry Night out of respect for those that don't want very fast games, but the more prevalent reason for why I'm holding myself back is because it will not end well if I go hard and start going by my own rules and mindset towards how I play. I work best when I have enough sway over the game to get the flips I need to narrow down the game to a winnable state, and I learned a harsh lesson from Anuket Topaz that when I try to go that route when there's enough leader/rebellious/etc. types in the game, I compromise my own ability to reach the flips I want and tilt out of the game, literally becoming useless to everybody. This playerlist is very very likely to resist me if I go this route and just cause a bunch of drama bullshit in the thread that it really doesn't need. It's better for me to hold back and do what I can from the background to keep the playerlist focused.
this + other hobbies + work + sleep schedule changing every 3 days
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Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:07 pm

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im sorry i was laughing and enjoying myself and you weren't
it was a bad joke :(
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Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:08 pm

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I appreciate alyssa because she's always spicy and she's the best
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Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:09 pm

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In post 1999, Alisae wrote:SHOOT HER
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Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:11 pm

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I'm just going to go to bed

I think I'm a lot more prickly about this than I really should be
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Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:13 pm

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In post 2009, Alisae wrote:im sorry i was laughing and enjoying myself and you weren't
it was a bad joke :(
For what it's worth, while I am a certifiable moron, you'd have to be a whole level of stupid far more than I could ever muster in even my derpiest of moments to Vig Ank N1. That's never the right power role to use on her N1. :P
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Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:14 pm

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In post 2013, mastina wrote:
In post 2009, Alisae wrote:im sorry i was laughing and enjoying myself and you weren't
it was a bad joke :(
For what it's worth, while I am a certifiable moron, you'd have to be a whole level of stupid far more than I could ever muster in even my derpiest of moments to Vig Ank N1. That's never the right power role to use on her N1. :P
so use it on chennisden
or dgb
or Pink Ball :good:
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Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:15 pm

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I would actually love a shot on DGB fwiw
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Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:17 pm

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In post 1823, Alisae wrote:my read on xof was that I really just didn't think Pine drafted her
coming out of retirement to play and out of touch with the meta?
REAAAAAAAALY didn't think Pine was going to draft that so I took my chances and hard softed her as my mason.

She's back on the table that lastest post was somethin else
Well okay. Did you respond to my criticism of your logic at all?
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Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:18 pm

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In post 2016, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1823, Alisae wrote:my read on xof was that I really just didn't think Pine drafted her
coming out of retirement to play and out of touch with the meta?
REAAAAAAAALY didn't think Pine was going to draft that so I took my chances and hard softed her as my mason.

She's back on the table that lastest post was somethin else
Well okay. Did you respond to my criticism of your logic at all?
where??????
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Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:23 pm

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Last note before sleep

Krazy engaging my point about pine drafting me or not really rubs me the wrong way

That's not the part of that post I'd expect him to focus on at all as town.
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Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:23 pm

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In post 2006, Ankamius wrote:idk alisae

I feel like at this point it should be obvious to people that have a decent amount of exposure to both my towngame and my scumgame should be able to tell that I'm not scum
I would echo this but apparently this will never ever be true tho

Just wish that for the one game in a blue moon where I get to be town cause people aint drafting me

People would listen and chill on that LLD shit.

Like damn I aint even won a scummy some people have lol
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Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:25 pm

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In post 2017, Alisae wrote:
In post 2016, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1823, Alisae wrote:my read on xof was that I really just didn't think Pine drafted her
coming out of retirement to play and out of touch with the meta?
REAAAAAAAALY didn't think Pine was going to draft that so I took my chances and hard softed her as my mason.

She's back on the table that lastest post was somethin else
Well okay. Did you respond to my criticism of your logic at all?
where??????
In one of my walls
I tried to make sure everyone who I asked a question to was noted outside the spoiler so I'm mildly upset you missed it
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Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:27 pm

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In post 2020, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2017, Alisae wrote:
In post 2016, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1823, Alisae wrote:my read on xof was that I really just didn't think Pine drafted her
coming out of retirement to play and out of touch with the meta?
REAAAAAAAALY didn't think Pine was going to draft that so I took my chances and hard softed her as my mason.

She's back on the table that lastest post was somethin else
Well okay. Did you respond to my criticism of your logic at all?
where??????
In one of my walls
I tried to make sure everyone who I asked a question to was noted outside the spoiler so I'm mildly upset you missed it
ur gonna have to quote it
the closest thing I'm seeing is asking if there's logic behind xof!town
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Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:28 pm

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My scum range isn't all that wide though

I only survive as scum at all because I'm good at abusing mistakes towns make to mask my own tells

Once people figure out what those tells are, I'll go back to like a 10% scum win rate because suddenly I can't just force towns to carry me to a win anymore
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Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:28 pm

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Bleh I'm on mobile so that's gonna SUCK
But I'll do it
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Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:33 pm

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In post 1779, Gamma Emerald wrote:OK this is deffo wine. first off why does the first point exist? Pine joined in 2011, and came back in like 2016/2017, and afaict hasn't been inactive since. So why does not having played in a long time matter? I also see Pine as someone who'd be willing to take aleap of faith on a newer player, so the other half of that makes no sense. Also why is personal experience relevant, I think Pine is more than capable of doing research, plus I feel like if there was no personal experience they wouldn't be here. Only sensible point is the last one. I wouldn't want to clash with someone I'm trying to work with, that sounds like an unenjoyable experience. I think I recall a team with RC and Mathblade blowing up because they couldn't handle each other.
Okay found it
It wasn't a question so I didn't think to tag it. I'm the one at fault here, oops.
Also I noticed I screwed up the spoiler tagging in my last wall, Jingle if you can fix that pls do, if you need more info on the fix I can give it
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