In post 1748, Vecna wrote:YEAH. THE MORDWAGONS. THE KEY TO EVERYTHING. OFCOURSE.
But.....also.......yuk......wagonanalysis. No ty. eeeew.
(but then again, it did work for me when I saw MORD doing the fake distance-whiteknight on misa)
Give me a better assignment and I will investigate.
But don't shit on my ways without providing an alternative. I'm open to any hypothesis anyone has.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:09 am
by Vecna
I dno, massclaims ruins too many games. And I mean that from the -fun perspective-. It might win it for us, but I think this mod is smart enough to have actually clever safeguards in place.
Are you proposing a mass flip, or a mass roleclaim?
In post 1748, Vecna wrote:YEAH. THE MORDWAGONS. THE KEY TO EVERYTHING. OFCOURSE.
But.....also.......yuk......wagonanalysis. No ty. eeeew.
(but then again, it did work for me when I saw MORD doing the fake distance-whiteknight on misa)
Give me a better assignment and I will investigate.
But don't shit on my ways without providing an alternative. I'm open to any hypothesis anyone has.
This wasnt me shitting on it. If done properly, itll break the game open. Im just ultimately lazy. right now.
The way to do it properly is to look which persons had good genuine reasons to scumread Mord, and which were just bussing/sheeping for lynch-followup-avoidance
Discussion first- everyone comes clean in text form
obligatory
In post 779, Vorkuta wrote:hould have the brains to tell a white lie.
Obviously "L" might have to fudge the truth a bit as well (I mean come on- what kind of death note game is it where Light doesn't have to find L?).
But the rest of us being more or less honest would give us a proper gameplan without any of the downsides.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:31 am
by Chara
is this a flavour massclaim or a role massclaim?
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:04 am
by BrightEyedFish
Here are some Mord votes and unvotes for helping us see if there is anything to be learned (I probably missed some):
My role pm says I'm a frog ceo who can't be targeted by anything and also has 4 votes and also is a miller and that Ceph and PK are my scumbuddies. Also, in big bright red letters it says "Pocket FlavorLeaf and point him at JJD".
VOTE: Mord
THAT'S IT! I'm tunneling you for the rest of this game (and the one after, and the one after..)
In post 570, Chara wrote:quotes in last post i forgot about. wooper's ok in my book for now, i think.
In post 568, Mordhaus wrote:I've got her slotted as proactive newbtown. I can see where a lot of the theories come from and I agreed with most of the discussion re: Eventide. Honestly, probably shouldn't be as strong as it is now that I look at it, but for now I'm comfortable treating it as a townslot. I might reevaluate if her quality drops.
everyone plays differently and comparing anything to my scumplay is of course, a load of bullshit, but this is the sort of post i've made multiple times as scum, especially the "now that i look at it again it's not so strong, but that's alright for now" feeling. plus the vague "i can see where she's coming from" reason.
VOTE: Mord
i'm ready to commit to this relationship. do i need to buy a ring?
Townslip that no one brought attention to and was unlikely to be manufactured by Bambi, along with the right type of laid back posting from townJay.
i'm interested in the Bambi townslip, however.
and i do see what you mean about being laidback. i've been jokingly appealed to by scum Bambi before and it felt more real (as in, a real sense of "i need to live for game reasons") than something similar happening here.
why's Mikan your counterwagon of choice?
Hmm. Which game did I do that? That sounds fun.
Oh, and I actually am agreeing more with the VOTE: Mikan vote since they are legit just doing anything they want.
And Wooper, you said you checked Eva but what's the name? I assume you mean Even who claimed Ryuk already. Did they lie?
In post 802, Vecna wrote:Its so annoying when everyone thats talking feels town.
In post 806, Wooper wrote:I think p much everyone talking is town yeah
i agree with both of these.
it also makes these two interjections feel the scummiest to me.
the pack of players arguing over mechanics does feel mostly town, though i'm not sure if i'm interested more in wooper or Vecna.
Vecna possibly because he started off with some very strong mechanical opinions but doesn't seem to have a dog in the current fight. VOTE: Vecna
In post 864, Bambi Jay wrote:Cuz Mikan/Alisae went after me and look how that worked out.
...
VOTE: Bambi Jay
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:13 am
by Evenstar
In post 1748, Vecna wrote:YEAH. THE MORDWAGONS. THE KEY TO EVERYTHING. OFCOURSE.
But.....also.......yuk......wagonanalysis. No ty. eeeew.
(but then again, it did work for me when I saw MORD doing the fake distance-whiteknight on misa)
votal wagonomics is an important and useful tool
no dissing the wagonomics
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:16 am
by Evenstar
In fact,
VOTE: Vecna
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:17 am
by Evenstar
In post 1749, Vorkuta wrote:The playerbase is just beginning to acknowledge their despair, we have a lynchpool of.... "3" people while some have gotten away without any scruitny whatsoever, and the biggest opponent to my massclaim (mord) is... dead and scum.
Come at me.
Who are you, Junko Enoshima? Stop grandstanding and play the damn game.
In post 1749, Vorkuta wrote:The playerbase is just beginning to acknowledge their despair, we have a lynchpool of.... "3" people while some have gotten away without any scruitny whatsoever, and the biggest opponent to my massclaim (mord) is... dead and scum.
Come at me.
Who are you, Junko Enoshima? Stop grandstanding and play the damn game.
i'm not even opposed to massclaim and this may still be my favourite post.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:29 am
by Vecna
In post 1761, BrightEyedFish wrote:Here are some Mord votes and unvotes for helping us see if there is anything to be learned (I probably missed some):
My role pm says I'm a frog ceo who can't be targeted by anything and also has 4 votes and also is a miller and that Ceph and PK are my scumbuddies. Also, in big bright red letters it says "Pocket FlavorLeaf and point him at JJD".
VOTE: Mord
THAT'S IT! I'm tunneling you for the rest of this game (and the one after, and the one after..)
In post 570, Chara wrote:quotes in last post i forgot about. wooper's ok in my book for now, i think.
In post 568, Mordhaus wrote:I've got her slotted as proactive newbtown. I can see where a lot of the theories come from and I agreed with most of the discussion re: Eventide. Honestly, probably shouldn't be as strong as it is now that I look at it, but for now I'm comfortable treating it as a townslot. I might reevaluate if her quality drops.
everyone plays differently and comparing anything to my scumplay is of course, a load of bullshit, but this is the sort of post i've made multiple times as scum, especially the "now that i look at it again it's not so strong, but that's alright for now" feeling. plus the vague "i can see where she's coming from" reason.
VOTE: Mord
i'm ready to commit to this relationship. do i need to buy a ring?
Townslip that no one brought attention to and was unlikely to be manufactured by Bambi, along with the right type of laid back posting from townJay.
i'm interested in the Bambi townslip, however.
and i do see what you mean about being laidback. i've been jokingly appealed to by scum Bambi before and it felt more real (as in, a real sense of "i need to live for game reasons") than something similar happening here.
why's Mikan your counterwagon of choice?
Hmm. Which game did I do that? That sounds fun.
Oh, and I actually am agreeing more with the VOTE: Mikan vote since they are legit just doing anything they want.
And Wooper, you said you checked Eva but what's the name? I assume you mean Even who claimed Ryuk already. Did they lie?
In post 802, Vecna wrote:Its so annoying when everyone thats talking feels town.
In post 806, Wooper wrote:I think p much everyone talking is town yeah
i agree with both of these.
it also makes these two interjections feel the scummiest to me.
the pack of players arguing over mechanics does feel mostly town, though i'm not sure if i'm interested more in wooper or Vecna.
Vecna possibly because he started off with some very strong mechanical opinions but doesn't seem to have a dog in the current fight. VOTE: Vecna
In post 864, Bambi Jay wrote:Cuz Mikan/Alisae went after me and look how that worked out.
...
VOTE: Bambi Jay
Excellent. Now, the people that voted for mort, but unvoted again (like Mikan) dig up how they were talking about MORD prior to the voteshift and see if they were voicing any opinions.
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:31 am
by Chara
i'm kind of unwilling to call Fish scum for this. i don't have meta but this seems to be a style thing for him more than "empty readlist". a lot of the takes in it are short but not wrong, ex. Creature read, Almost, Mord stuff.
he's right about Almost in particular. if you want a tip for Almost, Vecna, it's that his boredom doesn't signal scum, nor does his complaining about a lack of content with none too much from him, either. ;>
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:54 am
by Evenstar
In post 1648, Bambi Jay wrote:If I get someone Modkilled then I can cross that off my bucketlist later.
Also, can you explain why you think I'm scum to me? I noticed you said I could be scum too but I've focused mainly on gen 3 is shit over there.
You're scum because you're hard-SRing my hardest TR, aren't really playing the game so far as I can tell, have a terrible attitude, and your roleclaim is
hilariously
convenient at best and outright godawful at worst. It doesn't make
any goddamn sense
why
Near
would be
a Lyncher that enables Godfathers/Millers on flip
, (in and of itself an amazingly terribad role), and you haven't contradicted RCE or Mordhaus on being Near. In fact, Mord "outed" you in what must be the worst attempt at scumtheater I've seen in a very long time.
Either RCE and Mordhaus are scum together and are making the most hilariously bad attack on you I've ever seen in a mafia game, or you're just scum. The fact that you seem to know that there's an SK in this game for some reason makes me think you're just scum. ('Cause the obvious way you know that is that your scumteam is one member short.)
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:57 am
by Evenstar
In post 1766, Vecna wrote:Look at you trying to be all contrarian after I just showed and convinced the rest of the game that im town. such a badass
You what?
*ISOs*
yep nope
also, why the fuck you scumreading me when we're agreeing that BrightEyed is a pufferfish?
In post 1648, Bambi Jay wrote:If I get someone Modkilled then I can cross that off my bucketlist later.
Also, can you explain why you think I'm scum to me? I noticed you said I could be scum too but I've focused mainly on gen 3 is shit over there.
You're scum because you're hard-SRing my hardest TR, aren't really playing the game so far as I can tell, have a terrible attitude, and your roleclaim is
hilariously
convenient at best and outright godawful at worst. It doesn't make
any goddamn sense
why
Near
would be
a Lyncher that enables Godfathers/Millers on flip
, (in and of itself an amazingly terribad role), and you haven't contradicted RCE or Mordhaus on being Near. In fact, Mord "outed" you in what must be the worst attempt at scumtheater I've seen in a very long time.
Either RCE and Mordhaus are scum together and are making the most hilariously bad attack on you I've ever seen in a mafia game, or you're just scum. The fact that you seem to know that there's an SK in this game for some reason makes me think you're just scum. ('Cause the obvious way you know that is that your scumteam is one member short.)
tbqh I see little reason at all to not just vote this shit 'cause you can instantly clear yourself by flipping lol
or are you claiming Gelus now?
VOTE: Bambi Jay
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:14 am
by Bambi Jay
Well the fact you believed the Lyncher part is weird. That was one of my weaker lies I said on the off chance Scum really did have a way to flip me.
I told the truth the first time I claimed, my lady. Still a Godfather/Miller Enabler. Never did I ever combine the 2 claims.
