mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Morning Mage]

echo, just vote sam with us

[Morning Mage]

and whats the point in getting someone to replace in, read 90 pages and then just get flipped anyway?

if they are town we have thoughts on the game
if they are scum maybe we'd get some clues to who their buddies are.
and a claim.

seems a bit mean, although you're right on the claim front

[Morning Mage]

echo, just vote sam with us

What has samantha done that's scummy

she thought the mod had conftowned a player and got really upset about it, as it messed up her strategy.

[Morning Mage]

speed-eliming someone because they're replacing out is an

awful

strategy unless it's clearly a scum aligned ragequit because they're getting pressured. I really don't think that anyone can genuinely say that sam's "replacement" smells of that.

looks and smells like scum to me

[Morning Mage]

echo, just vote sam with us

What has samantha done that's scummy

she thought the mod had conftowned a player and got really upset about it, as it messed up her strategy.

How is that scum AI?? I would be pissed and want to replace as town if mod conftowned someone it's just not fun to play at that point

yeh i basically agree with april

[Morning Mage]

I literally feel like I'm the only one who has a functioning brain since BH left

I'm still here dude dw

[Morning Mage]

superbowl being so eager on the gamma flip is scummy and looks worse if samantha flips red

[Morning Mage]

I literally feel like I'm the only one who has a functioning brain since BH left

I'm still here dude dw

I'm sorry but you have been bad recently too

you called me a sexual criminal

[Morning Mage]

lol did gamma-scum capitulate on day 1 AGAIN? I'd better catch up!

[Morning Mage]

also, you all can burn in hell for making this game a fucking shitshow

haha fuck you, shut up and be dead man

im genuinely stoked we flipped scum Day 1 in this monstrosity

[Morning Mage]

Fucking kill Menalque ASAP
I was scum, but Menalque is still not fucking town

I definitely buy this as distancing. Menalque-Gamma scum together. Unless you think Gamma is doing some triple-bluff.

[Morning Mage]

Oh, also

VOTE: gamma

Sorry @BM I was enjoying our spot of horse trading but looks like even with that gamma has more votes

I’ll back you on Sam!slot tomorrow if this does green tho

i'll give you some points for following through on the bus then. I guess I lose some points for pushing a counterwagon to Gamma.

Although in fairness, I was just sheeping April

[Morning Mage]

Guys this wagon is too easy. Gamma must be town. There was no resistance!

The funniest thing about this is he almost got away with it too. Keep your eyes on everyone who hopped off on that samantha train (except A50). I will be bold and say almost all scum was on a counterwagon

oi, I'll have you know I was the 2nd biggest advocate of the samantha wagon.

I also still think she could have been scum, and scum decided it would be better to sacrifice Gamma.

[Morning Mage]

also, you all can burn in hell for making this game a fucking shitshow

haha fuck you, shut up and be dead man

im genuinely stoked we flipped scum Day 1 in this monstrosity

No, eat shit.

In addition, if you hate playing with Taylor so much, don't play with her rather than shitpushing her ever game you're in together.

lol I like Taylor, I don't know what your issue is?! Thinking someone might be mafia doesn't mean I dislike their character or personality.

End of the day, it's just a game dude. Keep it classy and don't make games awkward by ranting and swearing and picking on people. Otherwise you'll find people will give you a taste of your own medicine.

[Morning Mage]

From what I know of Gamma I don't feel like he's the kind of guy who tells a scumbuddy to 'eat shit'. Might be wrong though because low data size here.

Lethaling scum here makes me happy with my townblock.

-Blossom

excellent, im conftown then? thanks Gamma!

[Morning Mage]

Guys this wagon is too easy. Gamma must be town. There was no resistance!

The funniest thing about this is he almost got away with it too. Keep your eyes on everyone who hopped off on that samantha train (except A50). I will be bold and say almost all scum was on a counterwagon

oi, I'll have you know I was the 2nd biggest advocate of the samantha wagon.

I also still think she could have been scum, and scum decided it would be better to sacrifice Gamma.

Nahhhhhhh that’s an awful long shot
I’m pretty sure I’m just spitting absolute facts this game

ah well i dont care, let's just celebrate this for now. Also, if you and Almost50 are scum, that means we might be 3/4 of the way to a town win if Gamma's claim was legit.

I think flipping Menalque tomorrow though unfortunately.

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: Gamma

Let's see if we can be unanimous by the time the Mod locks?

On a serious note, I do think with how quickly the wagon completed, there was at least 1-2 scum on board.

[Morning Mage]

Guys this wagon is too easy. Gamma must be town. There was no resistance!

The funniest thing about this is he almost got away with it too. Keep your eyes on everyone who hopped off on that samantha train (except A50). I will be bold and say almost all scum was on a counterwagon

oi, I'll have you know I was the 2nd biggest advocate of the samantha wagon.

I also still think she could have been scum, and scum decided it would be better to sacrifice Gamma.

Nahhhhhhh that’s an awful long shot
I’m pretty sure I’m just spitting absolute facts this game

Mena would be the best/most interesting flip tomorrow but im gonna have to work hard to get it done

ah well i dont care, let's just celebrate this for now. Also, if you and Almost50 are scum, that means we might be 3/4 of the way to a town win if Gamma's claim was legit.

I think flipping Menalque tomorrow though unfortunately.

...you botched my quote lol

[Morning Mage]

Why r we flipping Menalque though.
I think CW should be looked at for egregious votes before we consider them for anything.

His vote was fairly egrearius, whatever that means.

Gamma just outted him as a partner.

[Morning Mage]

I can imagine if Menalque is scum here, he's super pissed at being Gamma calling him out after the flip. haha

[Morning Mage]

also, maybe April Ludgate as a hard Gamma defender. although im not sold on that.

[Morning Mage]

excited for the flip. we managed to get under 100 page day 1, I'm proud of yall

dont speak too soon!

[Morning Mage]

shellyc replaces samantha97

oh no shelly, i think you rolled scum!

[Morning Mage]

Oh, also

VOTE: gamma

Sorry @BM I was enjoying our spot of horse trading but looks like even with that gamma has more votes

I’ll back you on Sam!slot tomorrow if this does green tho

also, it's ambitious but this could imply Gamma-Samantha/Shelly-Menalque scumteam

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: Gamma

Let's see if we can be unanimous by the time the Mod locks?

On a serious note, I do think with how quickly the wagon completed, there was at least 1-2 scum on board.

I agree. Knowing Gamma was part of a scumteam with at least four players makes it more likely.

I am actually going to have to dig for context on this one and make hidden VCs due to the mod missing counterwagons. This will take awhile. Please do not ignore it. I'll be looking at Sunday for the project.

what if you die tonight?

[Morning Mage]

Guys this wagon is too easy. Gamma must be town. There was no resistance!

The funniest thing about this is he almost got away with it too. Keep your eyes on everyone who hopped off on that samantha train (except A50). I will be bold and say almost all scum was on a counterwagon

oi, I'll have you know I was the 2nd biggest advocate of the samantha wagon.

I also still think she could have been scum, and scum decided it would be better to sacrifice Gamma.

Nahhhhhhh that’s an awful long shot
I’m pretty sure I’m just spitting absolute facts this game

ah well i dont care, let's just celebrate this for now. Also, if you and Almost50 are scum, that means we might be 3/4 of the way to a town win if Gamma's claim was legit.

I think flipping Menalque tomorrow though unfortunately.

Mena would be the best/most interesting flip tomorrow but im gonna have to work hard to get it done

^thats what it was supoosed to be

you think ill be dead tomorrow then? if you dont kill me, i can help

[Morning Mage]

i wish i had time to post a readslist. I have a good idea about most slots now I think, although depends on a 1 or 2 scumteam assumption.

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: Gamma

Let's see if we can be unanimous by the time the Mod locks?

On a serious note, I do think with how quickly the wagon completed, there was at least 1-2 scum on board.

I agree. Knowing Gamma was part of a scumteam with at least four players makes it more likely.

I am actually going to have to dig for context on this one and make hidden VCs due to the mod missing counterwagons. This will take awhile. Please do not ignore it. I'll be looking at Sunday for the project.

what if you die tonight?

Then my VCA may or may not be lost. Sunday is the only likely time I'll have to put into it. A normal VCA takes an hour or two. This one involves rereading and marking counterwagons, which cannot be done in an hour or two. If I wait until daybreak, work may stop me.

yeah but feels like a big time investment which might be lost. have you done that before and found it was wasted? and how did you feel about it?

dont get me wrong, if you're town and do it, much appreciated. but if it was me, i aint reviewing this one until the next day when i know im alive to do something about it

[Morning Mage]

Also if gamma actually flips red yall are gonna have a lotttttttt of explaining to do

He's not

Is this based on 1714? Or are there other reasons Gamma is in your top town reads?

It's based on me knowing Gamma's play (and him knowing mine). This isn't how scum!Gamma acts at all.

you realise he is dead and claimed scum right?

[Morning Mage]

are you saying he deliberately played scummy to get flipped and then trolled town by pretending he was scum? bleh...

[Morning Mage]

go us!

yeah the mena thing could just be a red herring but there's a good chance that mena is a scumbud that gamma is trying to anti-associate with. He'll be checked @ some point or another.

I am concerned about BH. They were saying that scum was pushing them but they newver said who. Is it at all possible that scum did in fact start a cw on thier buddy and then BH didn't want to tell us wich buddies did that?

nice work townblock buddy!

[Morning Mage]

big 100!

[Morning Mage]

lol I like Taylor

this is horseshit, you've demonstrated nothing but a massive distaste for Tay from what I've seen

lol in the nicest possible way mate, you've asked me if I have beef with Taylor, I've told you truthfully I don't. You're continuing to argue it, which seems to me like you're trying to create an issue which isn't there to justify your own behaviour.

Again, suggest you keep your bad attitude to yourself, I don't care for it, and by badgering me you're making the game unpleasant for me. Evidently you're also making the game uncomfortable for other people too. I don't care what madcap theory you have about me personally - you don't know me, I don't know you and we're just playing a forum-based game. Your personal opinions, and personal attacks, mean literally nothing to me, so you may as well keep them to yourself.

Also, you're dead.

[Morning Mage]

also, maybe April Ludgate as a hard Gamma defender. although im not sold on that.

boon/april has in the past very much hard defended his buddies.

im not saying its impossible, just that im not convinced thats what happened here.

[Morning Mage]

i feel like i played a game with DDL a while ago...

[Morning Mage]

I've heard that Taylor Swift, IRL, is a bit of an arsehole but then I imagine that a lot of rich celebrities prob are.

man don't do the same thing as gamma, you don't know her in real life, it's just a forum game! I'm sure she is nice!

[Morning Mage]

mine

[Morning Mage]

yo DDL where did we play before? you remember?

[Morning Mage]

ah yeah that feels like ages ago. blimey.

[Morning Mage]

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=82564

i learnt alot from that game - smashed the setup the next 2 times

[Morning Mage]

otoh. Mena and to a lwesser extent suberbowl, trying to rush a Gamma lynch looks p bad to me.

Yes PLEASE continue Nero about how I’m scum for leading and maintaining a scum flip against YOUR counterwagon

did you know, between the 2 of us, we have posted over 20 pages all by ourselves. incredible effort.

[Morning Mage]

i dont even remember playing it
I think i was ml'd

im fairly sure you were ml'd as scum got almost a clean sweep. it was a terrible town performance.

[Morning Mage]

Everyone who popped into this thread once gamma flipped is sus (april and DDL)

...and me? but i was working?

[Morning Mage]

why is everyone trying hard to avoid scumreading me? hmmm

[Morning Mage]

The judges will wagon

[Morning Mage]

yo superbowl, maybe you should hydra with us next time. we could be Superb Morning Mage, and have 50% of the posts in the game

[Morning Mage]

True and we wouldn’t even have to change the pfp, the owl you’ve got in there looks pretty superb

Will the judges wagon?

[Morning Mage]

also we forgot mastina is scum

[Morning Mage]

wagon will the judges?

[Morning Mage]

wagonwheel the judges

[Morning Mage]

overall, this has been an immensely enjoyable day 1.

[Morning Mage]

Why r we flipping Menalque though.

Yeah Menalque's locktown here.

ugh no

[Morning Mage]

im genuinely stoked we flipped scum Day 1 in this monstrosity

You say, when...

if samantha flips town, im down with gamma tomorrow - deal?

What do you think about my point of gamma’s scumread on me not being really based on anything at all despite him presenting it as one of his more substantial reads? Do you think town!gamma really sees me shitposting about getting revenge for a game that happened well over a year ago (my second scumgame on site) and thinks that it’s a solid indicator of scum!me that I’m bragging about getting to misguillotine him now?

yes
that's exactly the kind of emotional stuff i see coming from wagoned town. It's irrational, but not because it's faked
I guess i could see the idea of scum!Gamma grasping for straws but that is not my first inclination at all
~Morning

...You had multiple posts that were trying to dissuade us from lynching Gamma.

(I feel like I should in fairness point out that there are multiple posts from your slot that finger Gamma as possible scum, but those posts look like distancing without committing to a bus.)

in other words, when we attacked gamma you say it's scummy coz distancing, and when we didnt attack gamma you say it's scummy coz protecting him.

Make your mind up - you can't have both, at least without a more sophisticated rationale.

Although I guess this is just OMGUS because we called you out.

[Morning Mage]

otoh. Mena and to a lwesser extent suberbowl, trying to rush a Gamma lynch looks p bad to me.

I'm of the opposite mindset.

Without Menalque hard-pushing for Gamma's death, we might not have ousted Gamma D1.

And the way Menalque pushed Gamma is, 100%, not the way a scumbuddy would push their scumbuddy.

Suggesting otherwise is literally the most backwards-ass moonlogicky shit ever.

Menalque is HARD-cleared by Gamma's flip.

...that's not even close to what happened. Menalque was not a leading proponent of the Gamma wagon, and at one point was part of the counterwagon. He abandoned the counterwagon when it stalled to re-join the already big Gamma leadwagon.

Your revisionist history here to defend Menalque under false pretenses is scummy.

Assuming Menalque flips red too, Mastina next obviously please.

[Morning Mage]

lol @ sb pretending like he LEAD the Gamma lynch

lol at you trying to finger Menalque the person who legitimately DID lead the Gamma push, as scum bussing rather than town who caught Gamma.

as above, i dont know what game you're reading

[Morning Mage]

why is everyone trying hard to avoid scumreading me? hmmm

Im saving you for later buddy

More or less, this.

I think you have high scum equity--but other players have much much higher chances, and there's at least the chance you're town.

nice try

[Morning Mage]

Diamond Sentinel/PlusJOYED/Chris/you all have scummy votes on us. I love how you still want to scumread us despite the glaring evidence we're obviously not partnered with Gamma.

Nero is definitely town, and I'd say Diamond is probably town as well. Misty may or may not be town, hard to say, but I'd say the only sus name in that grouping is PlusJOYED.

That said, you're quite correct--a Gamma scumflip makes it rather incredibly likely that you are indeed town.

you think Gamma-scum means BH-town? eh...how so?

[Morning Mage]

also we forgot mastina is scum

Good luck with that, buddy.

Let's see how well that goes for you.

you wish i was your buddy, then you might be able to win this game, scum. <3

[Morning Mage]

Without Menalque hard-pushing for Gamma's death, we might not have ousted Gamma D1.

Bruh? He left for a counterwagon....

mastina is just shamelessly re-writing history to defend Menalque. I'm actually wondering if we should flip her first, just in case she is doing some bold white-knighting.

[Morning Mage]

April, please pull yourself together and agree with me about Mastina being scum!

[Morning Mage]

Mastina I think we can lead a townbloc together as long as we're don't argue too much

you want to townbloc with scum-mastina?

Fuckin A mastina I’d really forgotten how much fun playing with you can be

The best part about this statement is that it applies to 100% of users about me--it's just that it's evenly split 50-50 between sincerity and sarcasm.

good posting

It’s always sad when you correctly vote scum but then people wanna kill u anyway.

It’s even more sad when people wanna kill you for good reasons and but you just happen to be town.

That’s the situation I’m gonna be in tomorrow.
Should I claim now?

i'm deeply uncomfortable with this post coming from you. Scum vibes.

[Morning Mage]

otoh. Mena and to a lwesser extent suberbowl, trying to rush a Gamma lynch looks p bad to me.

I'm of the opposite mindset.

Without Menalque hard-pushing for Gamma's death, we might not have ousted Gamma D1.

And the way Menalque pushed Gamma is, 100%, not the way a scumbuddy would push their scumbuddy.

Suggesting otherwise is literally the most backwards-ass moonlogicky shit ever.

Menalque is HARD-cleared by Gamma's flip.

...that's not even close to what happened. Menalque was not a leading proponent of the Gamma wagon, and at one point was part of the counterwagon. He abandoned the counterwagon when it stalled to re-join the already big Gamma leadwagon.

Your revisionist history here to defend Menalque under false pretenses is scummy.

Assuming Menalque flips red too, Mastina next obviously please.

This is a scumpost

Incorrect hombre! It's mostly a stating the obvious post. Mastina-Menalque scumduo works for me.

[Morning Mage]

I know BM a little and this is bad faith posting which is ime very reliable as a scumtell

the only times ive ever been accused of bad faith posting, ive been town lol

also i dont think youve ever played me as scum? although correct me if i'm wrong!

[Morning Mage]

Menalque was not a leading proponent of the Gamma wagon,

This incidentally, is just a lie, but it’s the way the rest of the post is so steeped in agenda that it’s obvious scumposting

i mean, there's no hidden agenda - it's pretty clear. I think you and Mastina are SCUM. and no lie from me - you'll note I'm not the only person who said this, but you're singling me out.

on me - if i was scum and you were town here, there's no chance i'm wasting my time chasing you as a mis-elim lol

much MUCH easier fish to fry. Same with Mastina. I literally repped out of a game where I was scum going up against mastina because i got so frustrated (not entirely down to her admittedly).

[Morning Mage]

Battle Mage is part of the MM hydra? Now I really want to execute it.

???

[Morning Mage]

I know BM a little and this is bad faith posting which is ime very reliable as a scumtell

Nah, you just don’t like what he’s posting. Doesn’t make him scum.

No, actually, on this occasion it does make him scum

Same thing gamma did earlier with his scumresd on me. Burden of competence — BM is too good a player to legitimately have that take

Disagree.

In what world does he shade you, me, and Mastina in this gamestate as scum?

this is basically true. i'm not a pointless try-hard as scum.

[Morning Mage]

I know BM a little and this is bad faith posting which is ime very reliable as a scumtell

Nah, you just don’t like what he’s posting. Doesn’t make him scum.

No, actually, on this occasion it does make him scum

Same thing gamma did earlier with his scumresd on me. Burden of competence — BM is too good a player to legitimately have that take

ah i'll let you off for the compliment- you're too kind! No really, as clearly I am a bad enough player that I legitimately have that take.

[Morning Mage]

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little newbscum? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in TOS, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on EpicMafia, and I have over 300 confirmed wins. I am trained in self-meta and I have the top winrate in the entire newbie forum. You are nothing to me but just another sig quote. I will WIFOM the fuck out of you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this forum, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me in a large? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of mods across the USA and your alignement is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your wincon. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be in any game, anytime, and I can elim you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just without my gambits. Not only am I extensively trained in directing NKs, but I have access to an entire arsenal of player meta and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of my game, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" overkill comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have tried to pedit. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shitpost all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

what in the fuck is this?

[Morning Mage]

i mean, there's no hidden agenda - it's pretty clear. I think you and Mastina are SCUM. and no lie from me - you'll note I'm not the only person who said this, but you're singling me out.

on me - if i was scum and you were town here, there's no chance i'm wasting my time chasing you as a mis-elim lol

much MUCH easier fish to fry. Same with Mastina. I literally repped out of a game where I was scum going up against mastina because i got so frustrated (not entirely down to her admittedly).

I didn’t say the agenda was hidden?

No, you don’t think that, you’re pretending to think that because it’s convenient and because gamma going down speed too many people town and you’re trying to do damage control by (1) doctoring history and (2) trying to sew doubt

Self meta blah blah, we both know you think too much of yourself as scum for that to be true

lol if you're town you're massively over-thinking it. if you're scum, you're massively over-egging it.

as I say, if you want to claim I'm "doctoring history" here, you'll need to level that same charge at other players doing the same thing. You haven't done, which suggests you don't really believe what you're arguing and it's just something to use against me rather than an objective assessment of the game.

There was already tons of doubt about your slot before we even started this discussion, so the idea that scum-MM would need to actively sew even more doubt is laughable.

And no, really, you should meta me if you want to try and argue you think this is my scumgame. You implied earlier your experience of me suggested I was scum here - prove it?

[Morning Mage]

NorwegianboyEE will have his fate decided by the wagons.

why do you want to elim my slot so bad?

[Morning Mage]

Okay, the PoE for tomorrow is (MM, plus, ddl, taylor, bell, pickaxe pete)

I’m gonna give TGP some more time + also sorta sheep mastina

In the (frighteningly slim) number of worlds where MM isn’t scum, april goes into the pool

according to your burden of competence argument, I guess I should assume you're scum here for being so off with your read?

Although I was working on that basis already of course.

[Morning Mage]

Titus, how come you're refusing to talk directly to me, and instead just shading me in every post?

[Morning Mage]

ngl guys im kinda lost.
how do you all feel about the samantha slot

i'm less interested in it.

I think tomorrow is: Menalque or Mastina

maybe Titus is scum - Titus town is normally really engaged and reasonable and tries hard to see the best in slots, Titus scum not always so much.

[Morning Mage]

if directing the cops is a thing now, I'll take an investigation tonight so I can get these bloody elims over the line more easily tomorrow.

It feels like I'm gonna be gangbanged by Titus-Menalque-Mastina-Pete-Taylor as a minimum otherwise, so a conftown probably useful.

[Morning Mage]

Titus, how come you're refusing to talk directly to me, and instead just shading me in every post?

We had a conversation earlier in twilight about my VCA.

Second, I am not sure which head I am talking to. That's a problem. Town!BM usually stands out and is pushing theories. This game your slot has been like an afterthought.

it's been a high intensity game - i didnt have a good theory until recently. I feel like my slot has been under the radar a bit, although not sure that's a bad thing really.

I am currently pushing my theory hard - you didn't notice?

You'll know the head, as Morning signs off her posts. That's just the way it goes with Hydras.

[Morning Mage]

MM is very obviously scum and we’re never not elimming there tomorrow

lol I'll tell you a secret...you're never elimming here tomorrow.

[Morning Mage]

if directing the cops is a thing now, I'll take an investigation tonight so I can get these bloody elims over the line more easily tomorrow.

It feels like I'm gonna be gangbanged by Titus-Menalque-Mastina-Pete-Taylor as a minimum otherwise, so a conftown probably useful.

Oh cool, Rule of 3, Taylor or Pete is scum.

what's a rule of 3?

although if this is some madcap theory which is predicated on me being scum...you dont have to answer

[Morning Mage]

i think in terms of wagonomics ban hydras or sams wagon would be where scum would hang out
peddit: why is MM scum

MM is town

[Morning Mage]

We’re doing MM tomorrow, this is not a conversation

there is literally zero chance that is happening, so don't waste your energy

[Morning Mage]

i think in terms of wagonomics ban hydras or sams wagon would be where scum would hang out
peddit: why is MM scum

MM is scum due to their passive and OMGUS nature. Battle Mage is usually a fearsome, loud voice even if wrong. He has a similar personality to DiamondSentinel when town.

I remain unimpressed Titus. As town, you are normally very pro-active and enthusiastic about talking to me directly and trying to solve my slot or reaching out to me to persuade me of something. As scum you are dismissive and tend to just ignore me as much as you can. To use Menalque's language, it's good-faith vs bad-faith with you.

In this game, you are not engaging with me in a genuine way. And your reasoning above is not credible - I have been a very loud voice in recent pages. The idea I've been passive or OMGUSy is just fiction.

No bueno!

[Morning Mage]

MM, it literally doesn’t matter what you claim, you’re getting eliminated tomorrow

That’s just the way it is this game

lol you don't have the numbers to make it happen, especially after losing Gamma (if that ever happens!)

[Morning Mage]

So is this your scum meta, Mena? Interesting

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

if directing the cops is a thing now, I'll take an investigation tonight so I can get these bloody elims over the line more easily tomorrow.

It feels like I'm gonna be gangbanged by Titus-Menalque-Mastina-Pete-Taylor as a minimum otherwise, so a conftown probably useful.

Oh cool, Rule of 3, Taylor or Pete is scum.

what's a rule of 3?

although if this is some madcap theory which is predicated on me being scum...you dont have to answer

Anytime a scum mentions 3 or more people in a group, one of them has high likelihood of being scum or they stretch into insane positions which lets others catch them. Sometimes both.

Here, if you think mastina and I are townblocking Taylor, you aren't reading at best. At worst, there's the rule of 3 answer.

right, so you're not looking at my slot in good faith at all - you're assuming i'm scum and focussing on pushing that false narrative.

as noted, you can't credibly accuse me of not reading when your view of my slot is so distorted. no bueno

[Morning Mage]

Yeah, you're a loud voice...in twilight.

Your suspects are literally me mastina and Menalque. We all suspect you and your FoS on me was recent too. You treated me as town earlier in the twilight.

i dont think any of you suspected me until after i suspected you? so that doesnt make it OMGUS. also, whether it's OMGUS doesnt really matter.

It's twilight of Day 1, a Day 1 in which nothing much happened until the elim. You can attest to this, because you spent most of Day 1 begging for vote counts and complaining that you weren't going to read most of it.

[Morning Mage]

i feel pretty confident about scum in my Titus-Menalque-Mastina pool.

[Morning Mage]

I have, at a minimum, Titus and mastina

Chemist probably comes on board too

Jjh probably joins mastina

Nero will be an ass about it but I’ll wager he probably ultimately comes on

Pretty sure suoerbowl will un-tunnel from me tomorrow which means I’ll have him on too

That’s 7

Norwee will join if I ask him to, I think

That’s 8

Ban hydra probably joins, 9

TGP will join if town, 10

You’re right, I’m short by one, but I’m fairly sure I can get one of the neutral-to-town slots on whcih means actually, no, I do have the numbers

lol i'll rephrase - if this is the sort of game where a town majority elims me, scum win the game easily. I generally work on the assumption of a town majority making sensible pro-town decisions.

[Morning Mage]

So is this your scum meta, Mena? Interesting

~Morning

Ahh, morning, I’m sorry

If you wanted to have a shot at saving your slot this really, really wasn’t the way to go

From what I recall, you are the slot in need of saving. Am I wrong?

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Titus it’s probably not worth it interacting with openwolfing scum

I mean, I’m aware of the hypocrisy

It’s just seeing you do it too is making me realise it’s not worth it

I'm slightly flattered that Titus has not wanted to do anything this game, but she's sufficiently excited at the idea of railroading me that she's getting stuck in before her VCA. It's a compliment I'm sure!

[Morning Mage]

if directing the cops is a thing now, I'll take an investigation tonight so I can get these bloody elims over the line more easily tomorrow.

It feels like I'm gonna be gangbanged by Titus-Menalque-Mastina-Pete-Taylor as a minimum otherwise, so a conftown probably useful.

Oh cool, Rule of 3, Taylor or Pete is scum.

what's a rule of 3?

although if this is some madcap theory which is predicated on me being scum...you dont have to answer

Anytime a scum mentions 3 or more people in a group, one of them has high likelihood of being scum or they stretch into insane positions which lets others catch them. Sometimes both.

Here, if you think mastina and I are townblocking Taylor, you aren't reading at best. At worst, there's the rule of 3 answer.

right, so you're not looking at my slot in good faith at all - you're assuming i'm scum and focussing on pushing that false narrative.

as noted, you can't credibly accuse me of not reading when your view of my slot is so distorted. no bueno

I literally just gave an option where you were town. That's the not reading answer. Mastina and I have had taylor as scum most of the game. (There was one readwall where she had taylor as town but retracted because it was based on a fakeclaim). I have never once uttered taylor is town. To suspect that Menalque mastina and I would suddenly townblock with Taylor is baffling.

It shows that, if town, you haven't been reading and that's why you are not a vocal presence.

If you're scum, you just scratched for a buddy to drop. Or you could be not reading scum.

You can cry bad faith, but that's just patently untrue.

I'm not going to spend time responding to this as it starts with an incorrect premise. The reality is, I am town who is currently a vocal presence, and you're starting with an assumption that I'm not. You've failed to respond to the challenges I've levelled against you.

Lies, damn lies, and a sorry absence of rudimentary statistics.

[Morning Mage]

From what I recall, you are the slot in need of saving. Am I wrong?

I’ll break what I just said to speak very briefly to you, morning — no, I’m not. I never have been. Your other half has spewed you scum earlier but I’ll let him catch you up on that

somehow I doubt that

I wish you luck tomorrow (´･ω･`)

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

From what I recall, you are the slot in need of saving. Am I wrong?

I’ll break what I just said to speak very briefly to you, morning — no, I’m not. I never have been. Your other half has spewed you scum earlier but I’ll let him catch you up on that

In addition to everything that has been noted - I'd just emphasise the difference in your behaviour before the Gamma-elim, when you were very calm and comfortable, to after the Gamma-elim when you are suddenly much more defensive. And the fact he accidentally slipped that you're his scumbuddy.

Anyway I think I'm done for today:

Titus-Mastina-Menalque is the working solve. i'm fairly open-minded on where we start.

[Morning Mage]

Titus it’s probably not worth it interacting with openwolfing scum

I mean, I’m aware of the hypocrisy

It’s just seeing you do it too is making me realise it’s not worth it

Fair enough. I am not 100% on MM scum, but I am sure enough where I'd vote if others did. I was hoping I could see a glimpse of town BM but :/

I don't believe you're trying Titus, because you're not listening to me. We've played together enough that you know my style as scum and town, and that the two are quite markedly different. I don't believe you are suddenly incapable of distinguishing them. Likewise, I know your style as scum and town, and the lack of direct communication TO me, makes me think you are scum here.

Plus, aside from all that, I don't know why Titus-town who was completely disengaged all day, suddenly gets very vexed about my slot for no reason after we flip scum.

[Morning Mage]

i'm 99% on mm scum and the 1% is if the scumteam includes mastina menal and titus and they're playing us like a fiddle

haha, 1% probably isnt far off on that as the perfect solve. it's probably more likely it's 2 out of the 3, plus somebody else.

[Morning Mage]

BM has a bad habit of creating made up worlds to justify town tunnels though as town. BM doesn't reconsider. That's just who BM is.

dude, regardless of whether you're scum or town here do me a favour and don't shit all over me. I sometimes do actually play well...

[Morning Mage]

I would worry about engaging you on this FL, if I needed you for numbers to get MM flipped tomorrow

But I don’t, so I’m not gonna bother

Overconfidence on Day 1 twilight.

Rookie mistake.

Guess we’ll find out tomorrow

That would also maybe sting a little if it wasn’t for the shiny banner I have next to my name <3

this is going to be really awkward for you Mena. What makes you this confident? Could you point out the scummiest post BM made? Or whatever it is that gave you your 100% confidence

pretty please? (>ω<)

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

Titus it’s probably not worth it interacting with openwolfing scum

I mean, I’m aware of the hypocrisy

It’s just seeing you do it too is making me realise it’s not worth it

Fair enough. I am not 100% on MM scum, but I am sure enough where I'd vote if others did. I was hoping I could see a glimpse of town BM but :/

I am. This is close to as certain as I’ve been. Do you remember that newbie a while back with ducky!scum where he decided to 1v1 me and I was legit asking him if he wanted to be caught because he was so incredibly blatantly acting in bad faith and lying about what had happened in the game/about cheeky’s meta? It’s the same exact thing. The incredibly obvious lying and bad faith. I don’t think MM cares about getting caught provided they can get my flip first/i think they’re trying to provide cover for a buddy(ies?) which was more or less the reason why ducky decided to go for the 1v1 in that other game even tho he knew that winning would spew him scum

"duckyscum"? i dont know what game you're even talking about lol, gimme a reference or something?

also, these are some bad reads. no bueno

[Morning Mage]

FL is more likely town considering BM scum, but it’s not a locked in thing, he could be trying to WIFOM by defending two buddies in a row and then arguing that he’s too competent as scum to do something with such terrible optics

We flip MM tomorrow so it doesn’t matter, after a scumflip there we can work through some more PoE, if the game is struggling by lylo then FL is prob scum and would be a good elim at lylo-1

I will give you credit here - if you can actually survive elim tomorrow, I'll be very impressed.

[Morning Mage]

Your read is wrong Mena and I don't feel like finding the reasoning for it

I don't really recall you having us as lockscum so I am genuinely curious where that came from. But if you're so locked-in that you won't even tell me, well... I guess that makes me a little sad

I can spoil it for you though, it's really unlikely that you get an elimination on us so I guess thats why I'm not trying harder

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

BM has a bad habit of creating made up worlds to justify town tunnels though as town. BM doesn't reconsider. That's just who BM is.

dude, regardless of whether you're scum or town here do me a favour and don't shit all over me. I sometimes do actually play well...

You do. Sometimes your tunnels are correct. You have a fatal flaw of not allowing in new evidence when town. It's something that can easily be faked as scum. So factor in you slipping that you're not paying attention or scum, it makes me not give a fuck whether you live or die.

So if you're town here, do me a favor and reset or reread or do whatever it is you do to break out of your feedback loop. If you dare lay a vote on mastina, I will come for you.

thats not true. i am always trying to improve, and be objective as possible. it is not the case that I'm a static player who always makes the same mistakes as town, and it's certainly not the case that even if was scum I'd deliberately play like crap to get some meta value out of it. I'm not going to engage further when you're being rude and aggressive to me, and strawmanning me by continually arguing that I'm not paying attention when I have actually been following along most of the game, unlike you.

I know you are probably scum, but I still don't think you need to be that disrespectful towards me. I am playing my best, and will continue to do so, and if you want to just berate me rather than actually have an open discussion, then have fun with that.

[Morning Mage]

Is there something I missed that implies that Gamma was groupscum and not 3p?

It's King Donatellos'

Army

, is it not?

it's a large team but still a size that I think makes it probable multiball. But I have seen a 4 man team in a 25 man game so take that for what it's worth.

also, this

I think it is multiball because of Gamma's end of day 1 behaviour. He was crying out that Mena was scum pretty hard which I found really hard to believe scum would do.

Could be single groupscum and SK imo.
I don't think either BH or Mena were especially guilty looking with Gamma being confirmed scum. And Gamma's attack on Mena could be from mafia worried about serial killer rather than opposing groupscum.

That's fair, the kills are really odd. I could see something really wacky like multiball + sk + vig but the multiball teams have no NK

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

2 observations as i catch up:

1. Assume Menalque was targetted by a Vig.
2. Why would a town faction daycop not target the claimed miller-masons? to get a double result

[Morning Mage]

I detected motion from Titus

i told you Titus was scum

[Morning Mage]

2 observations as i catch up:

1. Assume Menalque was targetted by a Vig.
2. Why would a town faction daycop not target the claimed miller-masons? to get a double result

...you do realize the contradiction in this right

nope - indulge me?

[Morning Mage]

VCA isn’t that effective this early, case in point, it brings scummier for people like e who just went around that much. Especially if this is multiball. VCA is t gonna do anything more than a supplementary to a case.

agree on principle of VCA being not so valuable this early. Titus wheeling it out this early feels a bit showboaty. Also as a general tip - VCA is more effective when you don't prime everyone in advance with the promise of VCA.

I detected motion from Titus

Can we please stop outright claiming? I literally just said so above. Titus if scum is a master scum. You don’t need to give her any outs. We still hadn’t resolved the last one where someone claimed loyal/disloyal. I seriously told you how to do it.

Having played lots of games with Titus, I would say she is significantly stronger as town than scum.

And I can catch master scum Titus if she is scum.

If anything, I’m the person in the game who should harness Titus if we think she is scum.

Be a hero.

[Morning Mage]

2 observations as i catch up:

1. Assume Menalque was targetted by a Vig.
2. Why would a town faction daycop not target the claimed miller-masons? to get a double result

...you do realize the contradiction in this right

nope - indulge me?

who cops a miller claim

it's a faction cop. so I assumed it would reveal the faction, rather than alignment? although maybe I'm wrong!

I also don’t like Titus’ reads list like that, so I outed because yeah. Wasn’t gonna sit here with Taylor and I getting targeted like that.

I definitely feel there’s chance for ScumTitus here to be abusing the fact she does VCA to relay her reads, but I don’t really like the conclusions she brought from it, especially considering I don’t really usually mind when Titus does VCA, so the fact that I have issues, as I’m someone who actively does VCA with success, I just feel my motion detect is now more likely to be hitting scumTitus than not, but I could be wrong, and I plan to figure that out overtime.

more importantly than any of that, my scummy senses are tingling strongly in Titus' direction. Yes, I unashamedly want the credit for being the first one to call it.

VOTE: Titus

[Morning Mage]

I don’t mind the VCA in general, it’s just the reliance on it, in proposed multiball, Day 1.

agree

[Morning Mage]

I detected motion from Titus

i told you Titus was scum

ping!

she got your scumdar going too?

[Morning Mage]

@schadd: Do you publically answer questions? If so if a Miller was publically copped however that happened would any modifiers such as miller or godfather come into effect? Or is this the “mod ordained” truth?

if there were the possibility of that kind of result tampering i would indicate as such. for instance, the information regarding norwegianboyee at the start of today is indeed true

doesnt this imply that the cop is miller-proof or that there are no millers in the game? or am i missing something?

why have millers and a miller-proof cop? unless there are multiple cops i guess? like alignment and faction variants

[Morning Mage]

I'm very excited right now.

And yes, that is a hard claim.

[Morning Mage]

I think we need to elim at least 1 person in the group just to see what they are. I'd like to go Titus or A50 today.
Titus cuz CL theory
A50 cause he backtracked miller and I think that's just him being caught with something that doesn't make sense.

im forming a townblock with april given these circumstances. I think scum motion detector would be too shitty

Don't do these things

But our conclusion is that we're all town aligned and the setup is designed to have us turn on each other.

But our conclusion is that we're all town aligned and the setup is designed to have us turn on each other.

so now you arent mod confirmed?

also i thought superbowl was in the hood. am i remembering wrong?

Nero Cain, mastina and I are modconfirmed.

Superbowl9 is confirmed to A50.

This is a glaring inconsistency.

I assume the mod-confirmed thing is a lie but the funny part is I don't know if that automatically makes Titus scum. Cause I felt really good on Nero being town and decent on Mastina town

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

I am in a neighborhood with mastina, Nero Cain, and Almost50. Almost50 was neighborized last night by me. He can confirm.

I confirm, although I would have rathered you talked to me in there and let me handle this in a more subtle way (not the confirming but the reasoning and membership of the hood)

can you confirm their claim about being mod-confirmed town?

[Morning Mage]

I think we need to elim at least 1 person in the group just to see what they are. I'd like to go Titus or A50 today.
Titus cuz CL theory
A50 cause he backtracked miller and I think that's just him being caught with something that doesn't make sense.

im forming a townblock with april given these circumstances. I think scum motion detector would be too shitty

Don't do these things

But our conclusion is that we're all town aligned and the setup is designed to have us turn on each other.

But our conclusion is that we're all town aligned and the setup is designed to have us turn on each other.

so now you arent mod confirmed?

also i thought superbowl was in the hood. am i remembering wrong?

Nero Cain, mastina and I are modconfirmed.

Superbowl9 is confirmed to A50.

This is a glaring inconsistency.

I assume the mod-confirmed thing is a lie but the funny part is I don't know if that automatically makes Titus scum. Cause I felt really good on Nero being town and decent on Mastina town

~Morning

As I recall I felt good on Nero, moderate scumread on Mastina, and lockscum on Titus.

[Morning Mage]

@Math saying there's too much power

6 masons proly isn't too many when alignments aren't revealed on flip. At least that's my first guess.

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

I am in a neighborhood with mastina, Nero Cain, and Almost50. Almost50 was neighborized last night by me. He can confirm.

I confirm, although I would have rathered you talked to me in there and let me handle this in a more subtle way (not the confirming but the reasoning and membership of the hood)

Sorry but I didn't want to look like I was stalling. I am not subtle. I bet Nero and mastina are upset too but it is what is it.

it was a panicked reaction under pressure. although it would be ballsy for a scum trio to claim conftown masons. Not clear yet that's what's happening here. Noting that Gamma indicated he was in a team of 5.

[Morning Mage]

@Math saying there's too much power

6 masons proly isn't too many when alignments aren't revealed on flip. At least that's my first guess.

~Morning

unless im mistaken, alignments have been revealed on flips though...

[Morning Mage]

I am in a neighborhood with mastina, Nero Cain, and Almost50. Almost50 was neighborized last night by me. He can confirm.

I confirm, although I would have rathered you talked to me in there and let me handle this in a more subtle way (not the confirming but the reasoning and membership of the hood)

Sorry but I didn't want to look like I was stalling. I am not subtle. I bet Nero and mastina are upset too but it is what is it.

I don’t buy this. If this was genuine mod confirm 16 alive now iirc means 6 conf town means 10 remaining players.
Assume town exe every time
14 -5
12-4
10-3
8-2
6-1
4-0

If town mislynched every day and one town death every night scum instant lose. Someone double check my numbers please

numbers aside, your conclusion is valid.

[Morning Mage]

Can someone go back and check if Titus was so sure of the miller-masons being town yesterday?

It seems she's very fixated on that today, but I'm not sure whether that lines up with her earlier view?

[Morning Mage]

I don’t buy this. If this was genuine mod confirm 16 alive now iirc means 6 conf town means 10 remaining players.
Assume town exe every time
14 -5
12-4
10-3
8-2
6-1
4-0

If town mislynched every day and one town death every night scum instant lose. Someone double check my numbers please

numbers aside, your conclusion is valid.

What makes you guys think the addition to Titus' hood is confirmed as town? I assume Titus meant just the base hood/masonry

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

I've got a curveball, but I'm going to save it.

[Morning Mage]

I don’t know who you guys is. Titus says 6 masons. I am analyzing the claim.

If it’s true then a win is a win and I am the town idiot and we win regardless. If it’s not we are better off with having the questions.

Read it wrong lol. Perhaps it's intended that we don't trust the masons. Or perhaps you are right that somethings up. My takeaway is that Titus' group is actually a hood but I guess I'll see on that

@Math saying there's too much power

6 masons proly isn't too many when alignments aren't revealed on flip. At least that's my first guess.

~Morning

But gamma’s alignment was revealed on flip iirc? So masons not flipping would confirm them as masons? Unless scum have a janitor?

Sort of. If Gamma were to have claimed that King Donatello was a nice guy and they were a party of masons aligned with the town, we couldn't tell the difference. But maybe it was just easy to tell that an orange-coloured Army is evil

~Morning

[Morning Mage]

it also mentions "romance???" which makes me think there is a lover thing going on in that group

Probably a scum ability.

Stop this line of thought please.

Move onto Math is an idiot and should just take the free win if you want but if you are right don’t fucking blow this up by helping scum.

Fine. Let's suppose we are both idiots.

Help me lynch April, morning mage or taylor?

you wont be lynching me today buddy

[Morning Mage]

i feel that since repping in, mathblade has bent over backwards to come up with reasons to defend Titus, and I'm struggling to see why.

[Morning Mage]

I think Shelly slot can be fine then. I’ll wait for them, but I did think that slot was scum.

me too! maybe we were right after all lol

[Morning Mage]

i feel that since repping in, mathblade has bent over backwards to come up with reasons to defend Titus, and I'm struggling to see why.

It’s partially because when we fight it gets bad. I am trying new things to prevent toxicity. I also have a sore spot as she is my RL sister (different houses known thing) so I am trying to work with her versus against her.

If she’s scum she will have to take it and if she’s town it’s a breath of fresh air.

she is your sister? wha?

[Morning Mage]

Titus, can you confirm the blood relatives hardclaim from mathblade? lol

[Morning Mage]

Titus, can you confirm the blood relatives hardclaim from mathblade? lol

Yes

I’ll confirm it. I’ve met them. That checks out mindset wise coming from Math too

dope. which one is older and wiser?

[Morning Mage]

I'm logging out so I don't bring out drunk Titus.

Math, can you stop being obtuse or take a break and see what people are doing?

I can take a break.
Obtuse is not just an on off switch.

From what it sounds like there’s 6 masons then no masons
Then we’re all 3P
No one is 3P
We have a scum execution but we don’t
This is insane.

i can relate to this. what the heck is going on.

[Morning Mage]

if Shelly is scum, Titus looks considerably worse with that VCA.

VOTE: Shelly

[Morning Mage]

all this mason and PT talk is giving me horrible flashbacks to Saw Mafia.

[Morning Mage]

Town or Town Aligned	Titus Plusjoyed Diamond Sentinel Nero Cain Morning Mage shellyc (if April scum) A50 Ban Hydras superbowl9 mastina Menalque NorweiganboyEE
Above Null	The Golden Paradox Bell Something_Smart Mathblade
Null	DrDolittle jjh927 shellyc (if April town)
Lean Scum	Tayl0rSwift
Scum	Pickaxe Pete Chemist April Ludgate

For the record, I haven't updated my VCA. This is my old VCA plus reads. I also expect one of my bottom four to be wrong and someone in my "Above Null" and lower to be scum.

you've realised i'm town now? dang, what a U-turn

[Morning Mage]

The reason might offend you but here goes.

Titus, you've done nothing but offend me for the entirety of the game. I'd be amazed if you stopped now.

It's a bit rich you calling me misguided anyway, as you backtrack from your strong suspicion on me.

My read on you can be really simple. As town, you are extraordinarily nice, and try hard to make calculated assessments of whether i am scum before jumping to conclusions. As scum, you are mean and avoid engaging with me, instead focusing on persuading others I'm scum without much regard for evidence. It's night and day, incredibly simple. If you're deliberately playing to your scum meta as town here, that's your fault, not mine.

[Morning Mage]

Titus' brother seems very certain she is scum. Maybe it is so.

[Morning Mage]

It seems like we're getting a deeper look into family relations here in this game of mafia and it's kinda weird.

Can we not please? I did enough of that during transition.

Please keep it to the game. Even if you think I am the world’s biggest asshole.

I’d rather not have this get worse than it already is.

I don't think you have come across as unreasonable.

[Morning Mage]

And, let me say this right now.

Morning Mage, no matter what, was completely right to group Titus and Mastina like they did.

You guys are literally grouped. He sensed it.

That’s how you can tell they are full of crap. It is completely okay for Morning Mage to have grouped Mastina and Titus all in one, and I agreed with Morning Mage prior to their claim.

ah thanks man, nice to get some love in this shitfest.

[Morning Mage]

@Mathblade - you are not wrong to town read me. Titus and Mastina need to get rid of me here because I am their biggest threat of them gaining momentum.

Please trust your read.

I don’t know what you’re saying this for.

Pretty sure I picked up what you’re putting down.

Kinda not my place to say though I think.

yo can we townblock with you both?

April-Math-Morning. Hell, maybe we can be 3p masons too?

[Morning Mage]

i dont understand why Titus hasnt been flipped yet

[Morning Mage]

is totus scum MM?

yeah dude

[Morning Mage]

it feels like everyone knows Titus is scum, so why are we waiting?

[Morning Mage]

neighbouriser isnt town indicative dude

[Morning Mage]

you think we have 2 town mason blocks, which can recruit each other and form a superbloc of conftowns? yeah right...

[Morning Mage]

i cant imagine anyone that eager to vca given that they are scum

it's her gimmick though

[Morning Mage]

swerve

[Morning Mage]

As an unwilling passenger in this 7 player power-bloc, I'll just throw this out there:

What if the Titus-faction is a cult?

[Morning Mage]

As an unwilling passenger in this 7 player power-bloc, I'll just throw this out there:

What if the Titus-faction is a cult?

This game doesn't have converting abilities. My allignment hasn't changed since being neighborized.

hmm... ok VOTE: Norweg

How are you so sure that group was not scum though?

[Morning Mage]

4518 is shady in a weird way

im gonna be deathtunnelling MM next after I've been more settled on bell
MM/Chemist/DDL/pete/{S_S, TGP} is my current solve

I'm mech conftown though 2 players can definitely confirm i'm town, and for some reason another 3/4 players are also doing so.

So good luck with that!

[Morning Mage]

i think for that alone, I'm more comfortable with a shelly-elim today though.

[Morning Mage]

i think for that alone, I'm more comfortable with a shelly-elim today though.

me: scumreads supposedly conftown because someone's been spamming the heck of of the thread
MM: shelly is scum

...

well i thought your predecessor was scum too, so it's nothing personal!

[Morning Mage]

i think Math could totally be scum and I hate you guys for arguing that Math isn't

he could be scum, but my gut says he's town. feels similar to April, and I can definitely understand the paranoia!

[Morning Mage]

4518 is shady in a weird way

im gonna be deathtunnelling MM next after I've been more settled on bell
MM/Chemist/DDL/pete/{S_S, TGP} is my current solve

I'm mech conftown though 2 players can definitely confirm i'm town, and for some reason another 3/4 players are also doing so.

So good luck with that!

why is mm mech conftown i did not read some of this thread

im not sure if we'd been outted yet (so my bad if not, i got over-excited ) but it doesn't matter in the context of the game now. We're part of the mason group, so A50 knows we are town.

[Morning Mage]

haha i'm torn between thinking my other head is gonna rage at me for spewing, and thinking it really doesn't matter given the gamestate.

[Morning Mage]

on the plus side, last hydra standing! woop woop

(sorry Morning!)

[Morning Mage]

Like, outside "the council of 7" I've had strong TRs on Bell/S_S/Swift. Bell & S_S are slipping down massively today and Swift hasn't posted yet (I'm on page 188). So, rn

literally everyone

outside of our "secret society" is an elimination candidate to me. HELP ME narrow down that pool (because I'll have you know I'm more inclined tp execute OUTSIDE of the 3 the mod had provided us) and the reason being you can all eliminate all 3 of them after I'm gone.

so you're not flipping me now?

i'll have another read

[Morning Mage]

if you're shooting outside of the Mod's trio, I'd go Shelly or Taylor.

[Morning Mage]

My secret wincon is to reach 1000 posts guys

you're gonna need to pick up that pace then buddy!

[Morning Mage]

Superbowl9: yes I believe that schadd designed a 23p large with 5scum that may not be able to kill and a bunch of town siding 3p that gives great power roles. What a joy that is and thus norwegian boy is innocent

i'm not averse to flipping this i guess

[Morning Mage]

You’re looking for scum that meet the regular model X. I am looking for scum that meet the model Y. (I hinted at it before. Can’t complete this sentence without outing my theory) I think as long as you treat it like 6 masons instead of 6 observers/coaches you’re going to be on the wrong track.

mathblade, I'm lazy - can you please tell me who you think is scum? like 3 or 4 names

[Morning Mage]

How are you so sure that group was not scum though?

There's a lot of genuine solving from Mastina/Nero/Titus in the hood and i would be really impressed if that was scum theatre. They are genuinely attempting to fullfill town's wincon so i trust them based on that.

fair enough man, but i do think they would be capable of faking that if scum. hypothetically, they would have know the whole purpose of that hood was to look like they were scumhunting (assuming they had a different PT for nefarious shit).

[Morning Mage]

You’re looking for scum that meet the regular model X. I am looking for scum that meet the model Y. (I hinted at it before. Can’t complete this sentence without outing my theory) I think as long as you treat it like 6 masons instead of 6 observers/coaches you’re going to be on the wrong track.

mathblade, I'm lazy - can you please tell me who you think is scum? like 3 or 4 names

One or more of the trio DDL = Pick > JJH atm
TGP
S_S or Shelly (don’t see both)

interesting - you trust the not-so-secret 7 then?

[Morning Mage]

and I can definitely understand the paranoia!

for me, it's not just that math is paranoid of us but Math actively tried to argue that kings army wasn't scum and that a 3 person group was scum in a 23 player.

Also, Math isn't even trying to hunt for them.

hmmmm i have definitely felt he was genuinely hunting. arguing king's army wasn't scum - i didnt see it, but i couldnt defend it lol

[Morning Mage]

but Mage and Math to a lesser extent...we are 3 players. in a 23 player large. Even if you want to argue that we are scum there HAS to be other scum b/c 3 is a 23 is unbalanced as fuck.

yes, i am well appraised of the fact that if you were scum, there would be more.

[Morning Mage]

How are you so sure that group was not scum though?

There's a lot of genuine solving from Mastina/Nero/Titus in the hood and i would be really impressed if that was scum theatre. They are genuinely attempting to fullfill town's wincon so i trust them based on that.

fair enough man, but i do think they would be capable of faking that if scum. hypothetically, they would have know the whole purpose of that hood was to look like they were scumhunting (assuming they had a different PT for nefarious shit).

Titus / Mastina especially are nefarious when playing scum. However at this point if they are scum they are just waiting the long game to shoot me and pretend it’s otherwise to save face. So I mean there’s only so much they can do with a constant reminder of a dude who asks questions of them. Remove him and then coast is clear.

eh...i dont know about nefarious - it would be fairly obvious play in that scenario was my point

[Morning Mage]

like if Math is town it's almost comical how bad the play. While possible, I just think this bad play is scum motivated and not just bad town.

objectively, i think this is clearly an unfair indictment on his play.

[Morning Mage]

Also, A50 hood is trustworthy too.

4518 is shady in a weird way

im gonna be deathtunnelling MM next after I've been more settled on bell
MM/Chemist/DDL/pete/{S_S, TGP} is my current solve

I'm mech conftown though 2 players can definitely confirm i'm town, and for some reason another 3/4 players are also doing so.

So good luck with that!

why is mm mech conftown i did not read some of this thread

im not sure if we'd been outted yet (so my bad if not, i got over-excited ) but it doesn't matter in the context of the game now. We're part of the mason group, so A50 knows we are town.

Lovely, just lovely.

Of all the cards not to spill you had to do this one.

Like we are so fucked.

haha in my defence, i wasnt exactly in favour of us being outted to the other mason group. shit happens dude - it was pretty fucking obvious from Titus' sudden U-turn on our slot that we were the other mason.

[Morning Mage]

like if Math is town it's almost comical how bad the play. While possible, I just think this bad play is scum motivated and not just bad town.

objectively, i think this is clearly an unfair indictment on his play.

Lmao

Nero has seen me at my worst.

From his POV that may be accurate.

I have had some baaaaaaaad games.

*shivers*

? you normally play badly, but you think Nero is justified in thinking you are playing particularly badly here?

[Morning Mage]

i have no idea what you're talking about dude

[Morning Mage]

i'm always friendly

[Morning Mage]

Nice, but he would have still handed the next invention the NEXT night to be used ANOTHER NIGHT after.

Yeah, but now he can't. If they kill him N3, it doesn't stop the invention from going through, even if they have to wait until N4 for it to do anything.

I kinda reconsidered and now see your logic. That puts a bit of a dent in my theory regarding why he was NK'd.

See, the way I thought it was all about shelly being "additionally confirmed" (if there's such a thing) by flipping Plus a TOWN. Sometimes I try to think how "newb/naive" scum do. Yours is more like how "seasoned/experienced" scum go about it.

Thanks for the help. Both you AND shelly are off my list for today.

[Morning Mage]

ive had a think - i prefer a Pickaxe Pete flip out of the modconfscum group

[Morning Mage]

also how the hell do we not have a majority yet??

[Morning Mage]

oh i suppose day wont end until A50 votes. but good to confirm if we have the majority beforehand.

[Morning Mage]

I am baffled by why DDl is getting SRed when he's being the most protown I've ever seen him be

I re-read Gamma ISO. Like a TGP flip.

[Morning Mage]

I am baffled by why DDl is getting SRed when he's being the most protown I've ever seen him be

I re-read Gamma ISO. Like a TGP flip.

Down for either one. Tgp would be good. But Gamma defending DDL like that is usually a bad look unless this is twilight. Lemme go look. If this is post twilight consider me wanting to lunch Pete.

he defended DDL throughout though. TGP he flip-flopped on. Initially defending, then distancing when it looked like his goose was cooked.

[Morning Mage]

Like, outside "the council of 7" I've had strong TRs on Bell/S_S/Swift. Bell & S_S are slipping down massively today and Swift hasn't posted yet (I'm on page 188). So, rn

literally everyone

outside of our "secret society" is an elimination candidate to me. HELP ME narrow down that pool (because I'll have you know I'm more inclined tp execute OUTSIDE of the 3 the mod had provided us) and the reason being you can all eliminate all 3 of them after I'm gone.

so you're not flipping me now?

i'll have another read

Looks like my point went way over your head!

You argued something, I argued

the same

from someone else's PoV. But let's sleep on that for now and we can discuss post-game.

yep it's fine dude, let's just leave it. this game is completely mad...

[Morning Mage]

y TPG instead of DS or Chemist?

Good question.

Also, I so SR Pickaxe, but why would he be early on Gamma but not at all on April? This is the main reason I'm second guessing myself on him.

Pickaxe works for me!

[Morning Mage]

are we going to night soon? zzzzzz

[Morning Mage]

you took dick first
VOTE: norwegian

for some reason i read this.

[Morning Mage]

Not about +J dying. Just that +J could have targeted one of the masons-by-any-other-name and made them a cop.

Ohhhh lmao airport is getting bigger.
SS’s comment now arriving.
SS’s comment now arriving.

im gonna hang out in departures then

[Morning Mage]

are we going to night soon? zzzzzz

Let A50 do his thing. No reason to rush The Absolute.

When he is ready to declare the execution he will.

pfft

[Morning Mage]

Yeah, I still didn't see Chemist or Swift posting yet, so I sure am not going to end the day before they both do.

check the PT dude

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: almost50

[Morning Mage]

why does no one else dislike mastina's list like I do?

I dislike it because we're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too low. anyone with any reasonable ration would give us town points for Blossom's excellent jokes

~Buttercup

You forgot to mention your own winning humor

^Unless you're a masochist, that is.

Says the guy posting during the twenty somethingth page of RVS.

goddamn it these hydras

I can tell this guy is impressed with our top quality obvtowning. You're welcome friendo.

i feel like the potential benefit from a mastina scumflip today is massively outweighed by the drawbacks of flipping town!mastina, and in any case she seems to be making a concentrated effort to gamesolve, but i'm not sure if that's nai for her. VOTE: plusjoyed their entire push on mastina feels manufactured and 575 and 674 ping me as calling out something for which there is no reason to call out.

Do you think buddying her will work? Hm, gl.

-Blossom

VOTE: ban hydras

this slot is making it difficult to play and it feels like they're doing this deliberately. can you block one player's posts and read the thread? kinda like an opposite iso?

why dont you just skip over the post when you see the powerpuff girls icon

i feel all these posts are very not genuine -- it's super easy to glance over posts as you read if you don't want to read someone's posts

goddamnit a50/superbowl that's awfully convenient. "we have a pt, and we all investigate as third party, but not to worry! because we are actually town, and you will take our word for it."

that being said, that seems like exactly the kind of role schadd adds to the game to fw town, so i'll begrudgingly townbin the "masons".

this gamma wagon feels too fast and too easy to be a wagon on scum. i'm wagering that there's at least two or three scum on that wagon, maybe more.

this is not a guy who wanted Gamma dead.

[Morning Mage]

Gamma loves TGP while life is sweet:

why does no one else dislike mastina's list like I do?

I dislike it because we're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too low. anyone with any reasonable ration would give us town points for Blossom's excellent jokes

~Buttercup

You forgot to mention your own winning humor

^Unless you're a masochist, that is.

Says the guy posting during the twenty somethingth page of RVS.

goddamn it these hydras

I can tell this guy is impressed with our top quality obvtowning. You're welcome friendo.

i feel like the potential benefit from a mastina scumflip today is massively outweighed by the drawbacks of flipping town!mastina, and in any case she seems to be making a concentrated effort to gamesolve, but i'm not sure if that's nai for her. VOTE: plusjoyed their entire push on mastina feels manufactured and 575 and 674 ping me as calling out something for which there is no reason to call out.

Do you think buddying her will work? Hm, gl.

-Blossom

VOTE: ban hydras

this slot is making it difficult to play and it feels like they're doing this deliberately. can you block one player's posts and read the thread? kinda like an opposite iso?

why dont you just skip over the post when you see the powerpuff girls icon

i feel all these posts are very not genuine -- it's super easy to glance over posts as you read if you don't want to read someone's posts

goddamnit a50/superbowl that's awfully convenient. "we have a pt, and we all investigate as third party, but not to worry! because we are actually town, and you will take our word for it."

that being said, that seems like exactly the kind of role schadd adds to the game to fw town, so i'll begrudgingly townbin the "masons".

this gamma wagon feels too fast and too easy to be a wagon on scum. i'm wagering that there's at least two or three scum on that wagon, maybe more.

I like this take from TGP tbh, and not just because it aids me. It reminds me of what I’m pretty sure was my first game with him. In it I replaced in to a mildly suspicious slot and made things a lot worse for myself, but I believe TGP among a few others correctly read that I was just floundering town and scum was trying to ensure I got voted out. I can’t say whether I think that’s the case rn but it’s a good sign for TGP that he sees what he sees.

Gamma about to die, better flip that read on TGP, give him some distancing cred:

Are replacements not being tracked in the OP

Also I’m very concerned that TGP flipped his read after I noted what I did about him before

Based the fact I’ve been intented though, I should claim.
I’m a Novice Alien.

Gamma dead, better throw 1 scum into his distancing pool (i think everyone else he did this to flipped town?):

I also want TGP to answer for flipping on me with no reason to it

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

yeah that's the stip today

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

[Morning Mage]

it's nothing to with him threatening to kill me if i didnt vote for him... <.<'

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

yeah that's the stip today

stip?

stipulation - like the special rule. we vote for who we want to get bulletproof, and A50 is gonna pick the elim.

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

That's a pretty good vote since A50 is like the bridge between the mason groups atm.

exactly

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

That’s really a tough sell.

You’re probably going to need to sell it if you want it to happen.

I am not convinced tbh.

Pants are already naked for a lot of people.

nah, just join me buddy. a vote to save your mighty ruler!

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

This is so bad why assume there's a doc? And if there is why couldn't he just cover A50?? And won't titus' group just neighborize one of us if there's concern of us getting killed?

lol check the PT dude

[Morning Mage]

i'm not gonna get deep into setup spec, but i think it's probably reasonable to assume there is a protective role of some sort in this 23 player game. even if there isn't, the WIFOM that comes with direction is beneficial. i think it makes more sense to give the protect to A50 today given it's his day and he's not conftown to everyone, and obv a town protective will protect the player most conftown to everyone.

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

This is so bad why assume there's a doc? And if there is why couldn't he just cover A50?? And won't titus' group just neighborize one of us if there's concern of us getting killed?

lol check the PT dude

No u

o no u dint

[Morning Mage]

VOTE: almost50

Confused: is this a vote for A50 for BP yeah?

Pretty sure it's just to get his attention to check pt

nope i actually decided he's the next most likely scumkill, and i'd rather he had the BP (Doc can cover Norweg).

This is so bad why assume there's a doc? And if there is why couldn't he just cover A50?? And won't titus' group just neighborize one of us if there's concern of us getting killed?

Dude I at least said reasons. C’mon.

Just do it already. Morning and A50 clearly have more insight than us poor poor common folk.

Did you forget I'm in the PT too?

he probably just assumes you are not following it as closely, because you had to be directed to read it

[Morning Mage]

superbowl8?

[Morning Mage]

dont dick me around dude, im trying to help you

[Morning Mage]

@MM: I was going to ask you to elaborate, but I kinda find it hard to get what you're saying anyway, and I don't this to drag for another page, nor do i feel like waiting for the other head to translate, so here's my attempt to do the translation myself and you can just confirm this is indeed what you're saying or just say "no" and wait for MT to come tell us what you're saying. OK?

I find it more beneficial to protect A50 with the sure to exist BP because he's the link between the two hoods, and IF there's a Doc they should be on Norwegian. That way the neighborizing shot can go on another townread that is not a Mason upping the council to 8 (or 7 if there is no Doc and Norwegian is NK'd). Otherwise, not knowing whether there is a Doctor for sure they don't know if A50 will still be alive, and thus can't decide whether to add MM/sb (which would be a waste if A50 is alive) or to go for a townread outside of this hood (which would be abd if A50 is killed).

yeah fine, let's go with that. can you vote for yourself already?

[Morning Mage]

You want me to execute myself???? WHOEVER I VOTE TODAY GETS ELIMINATED.

lol dont you get a BP vote?

[Morning Mage]

well im not gonna lie, that wouldve been fucking hilarious!

[Morning Mage]

*A50 is king*
*A50 stalls for ages to decide his elim*
*A50 accidentally elims himself*

[Morning Mage]

I've heard that playing with battlemage is an experience and it truly is.

i am in tears of laughter right now, you have no idea

[Morning Mage]

While hilarious I doubt the mods could allow it as it would probably be gamethrowing whatever A50s alignment is.

Please don’t test that theory. Some hypothesis are best left unanswered.

@Nero Doesn’t your hood townread the other hood? Well assume the other hood is toe siding blah. YKWIM Can you elaborate please?

I don't think it's gamethrowing if it's a genuine error.

I think Nero townreads me, he's just saying he is particularly fond of me, IYKWIM.