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Post Post #3175 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:10 pm

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In post 3170, FakeGod wrote:apparently no one wants to play scum any more, which is weird

everyone wanted to be scum back in the day
I second this observation
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Post Post #3176 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:13 pm

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In post 3173, FakeGod wrote:I haven't seen good scum team since...
checks wiki...
Guns & Roses III.

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Post Post #3177 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:38 pm

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In post 3166, OkaPoka wrote:omg u actually changed ur location
The cell is going to fill up quickly if players are honest :lol:
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Post Post #3178 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:45 pm

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In post 3177, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3166, OkaPoka wrote:omg u actually changed ur location
The cell is going to fill up quickly if players are honest :lol:
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Post Post #3179 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:49 pm

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In post 3168, OkaPoka wrote:setup related solutions so if u hate scum u can be like ok i only need to play scum for one phase and then i can commit seppuku, might be more motivating for scum if they only need to survive for a single/two phases to help their team
This was the design conceit for innocent evil people, even if I goofed the math hard.
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Post Post #3180 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:19 pm

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In post 3171, OkaPoka wrote:maybe if there is a graph, scumplay remained steady up until 2019, while town play has been slowly increasing over time. and then scumplay hit a nosedive while townplay has continued to level up. i do agree that ms.net was scumsided maybe in 2018 because i remember reading about mu vs ms and how ms was the site for good scumplay and bad townplay.
I would say that overall the scumplay around when I joined was better than the scumplay in 2018, despite 2018 being a vaguely scum sided meta. And for good reason. One of my early games my strategy as scum was “bully mastina in the thread until she doesn’t have the motivation to solve the game.” That’s not healthy for anyone involved, but it used to be a fairly acceptable practice.

I would say that for people with a truly polarized scum meta they might try hydra-ing with someone who is better at scum, not necessarily as a crutch but to have someone who could keep them invested in the game. Also weaponized hydra dissonance is a powerful scum tool that no one seems to take into account anymore.
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Post Post #3181 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:42 pm

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wtf lol
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Post Post #3182 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:50 pm

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There’s a reason toxic 1v1s tend to lead to scum wins, and being able to incite that without looking scummy used to be considered a skill.
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Post Post #3183 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:42 pm

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I'll take a 90% townsided meta where scum win by casing partnership confusing wagon patterns over a perfectly balance meta where scum win games by making townies not want to play.

I do think players should try to care a lot about winning as scum.

You get to play a game as {me} every time you roll town. You only get to play a game as {me, northsidegal, Nero cain} whenever that masonry or scumteam is rolled. It could be a once in a lifetime opportunity.
I try to remember that and to keep me motivated.
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Post Post #3184 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:45 pm

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Bell's performance in the last dance game was kinda colon slash
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Post Post #3185 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:18 pm

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In post 3184, Dusa wrote:Bell's performance in the last dance game was kinda colon slash
Could you clarify what you mean?
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Post Post #3186 (ISO) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:47 am

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In post 3167, OkaPoka wrote:additionalyl when i joined, the motto as town was just scumhunt and don't worry about being townread its not your problem
I didn't give a shit about being townread and I tried my best to scumhunt

yet here we are
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Post Post #3187 (ISO) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:46 pm

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Btw FakeGod, no hard feelings?
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Post Post #3188 (ISO) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:56 pm

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if I didn't want to play with you in the playlist, I wouldn't have joined in the first place

but you were a terrible person to me in game for no reason other than I voted you so I'll think about it
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Post Post #3189 (ISO) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:00 pm

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I’ll admit that’s on me but something to understand about me is I get an idea in my head for any length of time, and if it’s negative it then starts to grow like mold on bread, until I’ve convinced myself my preconception is reality
There’s the explanation for how I ended up reacting how I did, do with it what you will.
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Post Post #3190 (ISO) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:18 pm

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I didn't feel challenged
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Post Post #3191 (ISO) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:47 pm

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If anyone wants to run this setup in the Open Queue, you are allowed to run 14+ player games in the open queue. I tend to like to see setups without power roles getting used.
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Post Post #3192 (ISO) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:55 pm

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In post 3190, Dusa wrote:I didn't feel challenged
Well, yeah. I was pretty awkward and used AtE a lot to get people off me which is a temporary measure that doesn't last.
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Post Post #3193 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:00 am

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In post 3177, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3166, OkaPoka wrote:omg u actually changed ur location
The cell is going to fill up quickly if players are honest :lol:
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Post Post #3194 (ISO) » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:45 am

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