Get rid of hammertesting?
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Get rid of hammertesting?
I think hammertesting is a pretty stupid "hidden mechanic." Obviously a 3p lylo means that if you hammertest scum, scum auto wins win they log on, but I'm talking about a 3v2 lylo or 4v3 etc in which town votes town and basically forces scum to coordinate a hammer on town before voting town unvotes. Its gamey because either scum wins or town catches a bunch of scum on a technicality, no? Although I haven't seen this "catch" actually work in a game, I think the fact that this scenario of gaming the system existing is a bad thing. Ofc with daychat being a site norm, this'll happen less but still, it's dumb that it exists.
Proposed solution: If town votes town in lylo, town autoloses.
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Disagree. This can’t gain any information, because it is offset by potentially immediately losing.
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I think it's pretty hilarious every time it happens.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
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Isn't votes locked in LyLo just a general good rule though? If you vote someone and you're town voting town, you are locked in, scum get to win a game they earned a win on whether or not you see one of the two vote contrary to a fake townread they made in the past and check the thread before the other scum checks the thread.
If you vote someone and you're town voting scum, your vote is locked. But, why would you want to change your vote? You're town voting scum in LyLo. Seems like that's reeeeeally where ought to want your vote anyway. So the rule does no damage."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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It works well on other sites. I may implement it if no player has any prods in lylo.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Hammertesting isn't a thing in 98% of games on site.
Literally only a very very very select subset of players consider it and frankly, those players are just dumb.
It isn't a thing worth bothering to deal with.-
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Well, with locked votes town voting town does not equate a win for scum automatically - only if scum don't have a bus vote locked in already.In post 5, popsofctown wrote:Isn't votes locked in LyLo just a general good rule though? If you vote someone and you're town voting town, you are locked in, scum get to win a game they earned a win on whether or not you see one of the two vote contrary to a fake townread they made in the past and check the thread before the other scum checks the thread.
If you vote someone and you're town voting scum, your vote is locked. But, why would you want to change your vote? You're town voting scum in LyLo. Seems like that's reeeeeally where ought to want your vote anyway. So the rule does no damage.
But the problem is that it also makes clear when you are in LYLO - and when you are NOT in LYLO.- BNL
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Suppose you vote someone who is confirmed scum to you, but situations in the game happens such that someone is confirmed scum to everybody.In post 5, popsofctown wrote:Isn't votes locked in LyLo just a general good rule though? If you vote someone and you're town voting town, you are locked in, scum get to win a game they earned a win on whether or not you see one of the two vote contrary to a fake townread they made in the past and check the thread before the other scum checks the thread.
If you vote someone and you're town voting scum, your vote is locked. But, why would you want to change your vote? You're town voting scum in LyLo. Seems like that's reeeeeally where ought to want your vote anyway. So the rule does no damage.
This is why automatic hammer >>>>>>>>>>> locked LyLo votes- Cheery Dog
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This is part of how scum need to deal with lylo, part of the game.
Doesn't even mean anything when town can vote after town and scum can fake do it themselves.Holder of the Longest Continuous Weekly Mafiascum Post Record. 1 July 2012 - 16 Feb 2023
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It's part of the game. It's particularly interesting when scum don't have daytalk. Last time I was in this situation (as scum) we had arranged code words, but in like the minute between votes, townie came on and unvoted. I thought for sure we were cooked, but townie wasn't really testing and we convinced him to revote. It was pretty tense.
You could argue that a particular townie can blow the game for everyone by voting frivolously in lylo, but OTOH, those players are usually known, and town shouldn't let them get to lylo in the first place.- callforjudgement
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I care more about this though, not because of the possibility of a failed quickhammer, but because sometimes scum doesn't straight end the game, town unvotes and then the game keeps dragging even though the game is pretty much lost for town unless town decides to go crazy.
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I'm a townie in 5-way lylo with a fmpov-inno that nobody else (except the inno themselves) believes.
The other townie and one of the scum crossvote.
The townie I have an inno on is online w/ me, so I quickly give him the chance to hammer on both members of the crossvote, which he proves he will not do.
Now the inno is for everybody, yay!
I'm a scum in 5-way lylo and part of a 1v1 crossvote. I fake a fmpov-inno on my partner than nobody else is sure of, but I'm able to convince a townie to hammertest my partner.
They do so. We win. yay!
Why eliminate these plays from possibility?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Um no? That's dumb.In post 0, OkaPoka wrote:I think hammertesting is a pretty stupid "hidden mechanic." Obviously a 3p lylo means that if you hammertest scum, scum auto wins win they log on, but I'm talking about a 3v2 lylo or 4v3 etc in which town votes town and basically forces scum to coordinate a hammer on town before voting town unvotes. Its gamey because either scum wins or town catches a bunch of scum on a technicality, no? Although I haven't seen this "catch" actually work in a game, I think the fact that this scenario of gaming the system existing is a bad thing. Ofc with daychat being a site norm, this'll happen less but still, it's dumb that it exists.
Proposed solution: If town votes town in lylo, town autoloses.
Thoughts?
It's up to the scum to coordinate a quick hammer. You need to be careful up until the moment you actually have the power to hammer.- popsofctown
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After reading more of the input, I favor the more heavy-handed, "the mod automates the scum's game winning hammer" option.
Site activity shouldn't be a game mechanic."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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