Scum Are Winning Large Themes More Then Town

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that large themes attract playerlists that aren't as concerned about playing to win and the diffusion of responsibility makes townies make really awful decisions that they wouldn't make in smaller queues.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think that, for example, Katsuki would have fakeclaimed masons with a scum in a smaller queue.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would be extremely reluctant to play a large theme without a very specific playerlist as a non-hydra simply because the playerlists of large themes favor scum too much.

[RadiantCowbells]

that wasn't 1:99 scumsided

that was like

idk

25-75 scumsided

[RadiantCowbells]

actually sec

[RadiantCowbells]

if we assume that none of the douses get lynched it's a pretty nuts 12.3% winrate

[RadiantCowbells]

if we assume that none of the douses get lynched it's a pretty nuts 12.3% winrate

[RadiantCowbells]

oof

[RadiantCowbells]

only in large themes

town were doing better in some of the other queues but a lot of the townies that were winning those games have stopped playing or toned down their playing

[RadiantCowbells]

Unpopular opinion: there's no such thing as late game players, only players who are more successful at hitting scum when they have higher odds.

[RadiantCowbells]

saying that you're more likely to vote scum with an arbitrary vote than town in the late game is a demonstrably true statement?

[RadiantCowbells]

and like I'm more referring to people saying

"oh my reads were good late game"

after they mislynched all the incorrect scumreads that they had and were left with the one person who was actually scum and who was closer to a null read but eventually moved down to the bottom

[RadiantCowbells]

i've got good news for you then, fakegod. the next fortnight is going to be played soon. Fortnight is the hardest game on the site to win!

False

Fortnight is way easier for scum than Gameshow was

[RadiantCowbells]

By your own stats scum have won 40% of the Fortnight games, that's not a particularly low winrate unless you think that trend is not representative?

As for Gameshow, well.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah but on the other hand scum has literally never won Gameshow in lobbies where RadiantCowbells wasn't scum, so that should say it's pretty townsided.

[RadiantCowbells]

Truth is that I think the nightkills is a shitty mechanic.

[RadiantCowbells]

Being able to remove the best players in the game from play is really silly if we divorce the concept of it from the fact that it's how things have been done forever. It's not like you can just remove the enemy's forward in soccer.

[RadiantCowbells]

Problem with that is all it takes is one bad mafioso to lose town the game whereas there can be tons of bad townies.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scumteam scales up to the strength of their strongest member

I don't see why town shouldn't do the same.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just not have nightkills lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Either get better as scum so you can fool them or give town fewer mislynches

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, which I don't think is really fair to scumteams + it just ends in scumcarries writing posts for their scumteam.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fair trade for no nightkills tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

Even if Z player that is super hot scumhunter nails you down, you can always try to flip the table on him in a 1v1

but if both A and B player that has a relatively weaker scum game does something outside of their scum range and you're in LyLo, you're just a sitting duck waiting to be killed mostly.

Your play would have literally little agency at that point, because all it would matter is that "A and B can't play scum like that". So...

Everyone plays past their scum range at some point.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's different than a player that gets past their scum range not even really putting effort in the game, that's what I mean.

i've mislynched creature multiple times and nsg once

i don't think it's as clear cut as you think it is

[RadiantCowbells]

i've lynched efforting creature lol
it's not hard to convince people to do things if you hit the right notes
nsg went down screaming that i was scum at the top of her internet lungs

i really think the issue is that we coddle scum players and act like having to meaningfully towntell and fool half decent town players is unfair instead of nightkilling them and fooling the lowest common denominators

[RadiantCowbells]

That wasn't even close to your third game

[RadiantCowbells]

It was your ninth game

[RadiantCowbells]

I agree, but with 1 exception, you don't want to be scum, when RC is town

Yeah, you always want to be the same alignment as RC. However, I won in two games as scum when he was town.

One of them was a Hydra game which I don't count

The other I had all 3 scum yourself included in my top scumreads but town chose to ignore my reads in favor of 1) ankamius pairing with me so she could suicide bomb me and 2) everyone ignored me when I said gamma should be left out and then Gammas pair ended up being the IC

[RadiantCowbells]

Not even bringing up that in both masquerade and that game I said a pairing was TvT (moment TheBrie vs SS Titus) and town decided their reads were better and lynched them anyway

[RadiantCowbells]

Grr

[RadiantCowbells]

Why does Nancy feel the need to bring up she won 2 scum games versus me

Think about it for a moment

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'm sorry but I wouldn't need to bring stuff like that up if everyone else didn't feel the need to bring whatever they can up to either lift themselves up at my expense or just knock me down a peg in general.

[RadiantCowbells]

You threatened to deathtunnel me if I didn't pair with you

I don't think blame is shared equally.

[RadiantCowbells]

I vetoed her as an early lynch to avoid toxicity but I created multiple higher priority town pairings and told everyone to kill Gamma and all that was ignored.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you're implying that I'm making up that read then feel free to read my first lost in dead thread.

Otherwise it's a lot less frustrating being scum and not feeling like people on my own faction are working against me so it's a lot easier to be charismatic and make people want to listen

[RadiantCowbells]

As scum town are my enemies so I don't feel any sort of obligation to have them help me and if they ignore me and do town helping things it's me who suffers. That motivates me to be convincing and whatever. As town when people I feel like are town are being gigantic sticks in the mud it pisses me off and now if they ignore me and i lose as a result they lose too. So it's far less motivating.