Open Draft Mafia

[MURDERCAT]

Recently, Gypyx (with help from Jingle and Datisi) put together a very cool game centered around drafting roles from randomly generated packs. A lot of people, including myself, really liked the mechanic and so I’ve taken it upon myself to try to turn it into an open setup similar to Great Idea Mafia so that it can be run again and again. I’ve also made changes to the overall design that I hope will take a really cool one-off and transform it into something that would be fun to run semi-regularly.

First and foremost, this thread is for discussion of the idea and mechanics. Once sufficient discussion has taken place, I will create a wiki page detailing the completed setup (EDIT: wiki page has been created). At that time, this thread will hopefully become something like the Grand Idea thread, where you can suggest booster sets to add to the wiki. Only packs that receive enough interest will be added.

Setup

The setup is designed for 10 townies and 3 mafia, though it could theoretically be modified to run with any numbers with similar balance.

All games are played with a base deck of 104 roles. Optionally, the moderator can add in as many additional boosters of 13 cards as they wish. Information about the boosters being used in the setup should be provided to all players. At the beginning of the game, 65 roles are selected from the role list (base pack plus boosters) without replacement (meaning a role on the list a single time can appear in the list only a single time). These roles are then distributed across 13, 5-role packs.

At the beginning of the game, each player receives a single, randomly chosen pack. Each night, all players pick a single role from their pack and, optionally, perform a single action from their “hand” of roles. Actions can be used the same night they are picked. Night specific actions can still be chosen on any night but may only be used on the night specified. The mafia team also decides the number of slots down the playerlist to move when passing packs. This number must be less than the current number of alive players minus one (i.e. the packs must actually be passed). This number is revealed at daystart.

Spoiler: example

Playerlist:

Gypyx
The worst
datisi
jingle
Sirius9121

Gypyx has a pack with a Cop and a 2-shot vig, he picks Cop
If the mafia chooses 2 slots, datisi will receive a pack with a 2-shot Vigilante at the start of the next night
If the mafia chooses 2 slots and The worst is the nightkill, Jingle will receive a pack with a 2-shot Vigilante at the start of the next night

Packs are received at the beginning of each night. A pack that is owned by a player who dies or is eliminated is removed from the game. Player alignment and picked roles (but not the rest of the pack) are revealed upon flip. Pack passing is executed after all other night actions, all other actions are resolved using natural action resolution.

The game starts with Day 1. Mafia has daytalk but no multitasking, with the exception of a factional nightkill which can be performed alongside a pack action.

Spoiler: Base Pack

1. Vanilla
2. Vanilla
3. Vanilla
4. Vanilla
5. Vanilla
6. Vanilla
7. Vanilla
8. Vanilla
9. Vanilla
10. Vanilla
11. Vanilla
12. Vanilla
13. Vanilla
14. Vanilla
15. Vanilla
16. Vanilla
17. Vanilla
18. Vanilla
19. Vanilla
20. Vanilla
21. Vanilla
22. Vanilla
23. Even-Night Neighborizer
24. 1-shot Neighborizer
25. Neighbor
26. Neighbor
27. Neighbor
28. Mason
29. Mason
30. Multitasking
31. Multitasking
32. Multitasking
33. N1 Tracker
34. N2 Tracker
35. N3 Tracker
36. N4 Tracker
37. N5 Tracker
38. N1 Watcher
39. N2 Watcher
40. N3 Watcher
41. N1 Follower
42. N2 Follower
43. N3 Follower
44. N1 Voyeur
45. N2 Voyeur
46. N3 Voyeur
47. N4 Vigilante
48. N2 Gunsmith
49. N3 Gunsmith
50. N4 Gunsmith
51. Delayed Gunsmith
52. Odd-Night Doctor
53. Odd-Night Doctor
54. Even-Night Doctor
55. Even-Night Doctor
56. 2-shot Doctor
57. 2-shot Doctor
58. 2-shot Doctor
59. N2 Jailkeeper
60. N3 Jailkeeper
61. N3 Traffic Analyst
62. N4 Traffic Analyst
63. 1-shot Psychologist
64. 1-shot Novice Psychologist
65. 1-shot Detective
66. 1-shot Novice Detective
67. 1-shot Hider
68. 1-shot Hider
69. 1-shot Hider
70. 1-shot Commuter
71. 1-shot Commuter
72. 1-shot Commuter
73. Announcing Motion Detector
74. Complex Motion Detector
75. Odd-Night Motion Detector
76. Even-Night Motion Detector
77. 2-shot Motion Detector
78. Loud Fruit Vendor
79. Simple Fruit Vendor
80. 1-shot Loyal Fruit Vendor
81. 3-shot Fruit Vendor
82. Novice Fruit Vendor
83. Announcing Checker
84. 1-shot Disloyal Checker
85. Even-Night Checker
86. Odd-Night Checker
87. Self Checker
88. 1-shot Bulletproof
89. 1-shot Bulletproof
90. Vengeful
91. 1-shot Activated Strongman
92. 1-shot Activated Strongman
93. 1-shot Activated Strongman
94. 1-shot Activated Strongman
95. 1-shot Activated Ascetic
96. 1-shot Activated Ascetic
97. 1-shot Rolecop
98. 1-shot Rolecop
99. 1-shot Rolecop
100. 1-shot Roleblocker
101. 1-shot Roleblocker
102. 1-shot Roleblocker
103. 1-shot Roleblocker
104. 1-shot Roleblocker

Randomly Generated Setup (out of date)

Spoiler: Pack 1

1. N2 Voyeur
2. 1-shot Disloyal Checker
3. Neighbor
4. N2 Watcher
5. Loud Fruit Vendor

Spoiler: Pack 2

1. 1-shot Commuter
2. 1-shot Bulletproof
3. N5 Tracker
4. Complex Motion Detector
5. N4 Gunsmith

Spoiler: Pack 3

1. N3 Watcher
2. 1-shot Activated Strongman
3. Mason
4. Delayed Gunsmith
5. N2 Jailkeeper

Spoiler: Pack 4

1. 1-shot Roleblocker
2. N1 Tracker
3. 1-shot Activated Strongman
4. N3 Follower
5. N1 Voyeur

Spoiler: Pack 5

1. Vanilla
2. N3 Jailkeeper
3. Even-Night Checker
4. Multitasking
5. 1-shot Hider

Spoiler: Pack 6

1. 3-shot Fruit Vendor
2. Odd-Night Checker
3. 2-shot Doctor
4. N4 Vigilante
5. Multitasking

Spoiler: Pack 7

1. N2 Gunsmith
2. 1-shot Detective
3. Mason
4. 1-shot Commuter
5. N2 Follower

Spoiler: Pack 8

1. Vanilla
2. Vanilla
3. 1-shot Bulletproof
4. Vanilla
5. 1-shot Psychologist

Spoiler: Pack 9

1. N4 Tracker
2. Vanilla
3. Odd-Night Doctor
4. 1-shot Activated Ascetic
5. Novice Cop

Spoiler: Pack 10

1. 1-shot Activated Ninja
2. Vanilla
3. Novice Fruit Vendor
4. Announcing Motion Detector
5. 2-shot Doctor

Spoiler: Pack 11

1. 1-shot Hider
2. N3 Tracker
3. 1-shot Hider
4. N3 Voyeur
5. Even-Night Doctor

Spoiler: Pack 12

1. Announcing Checker
2. N3 Gunsmith
3. Vanilla
4. Vanilla
5. 1-shot Loyal Fruit Vendor

Spoiler: Pack 13

1. N2 Tracker
2. 1-shot Rolecop
3. Vanilla
4. Vanilla
5. 1-shot Activated Ninja

[MURDERCAT]

Reserved for pack list

[MURDERCAT]

The base pack is designed to be a fairly "normal" setup. Things like voting interactions, redirection, pack investigation, etc, should (and will!) be included in packs. As Jingle pointed out in the review thread, there are some interactions that need to be clarified. These will be specified eventually on the wiki page, assuming anyone is interested in this. I'll make role PMs as well.

[MURDERCAT]

A ideas for a flashier name than "Open Draft Mafia" will also be appreciated

[Gypyx]

ego, will give thoughts on this later, but that's neat !

i assume scum can't pick mason?

[MURDERCAT]

They can pick it and it will have no effect. Town who picks mason will be added to a mason thread.

[Jingle]

Ego. I’ll check for broken roles/roles with a disproportionate impact for one alignment later.

[Jingle]

I’m assuming all roles will be normal versions unless explicitly marked otherwise.

[MURDERCAT]

Ego. I’ll check for broken roles/roles with a disproportionate impact for one alignment later.

I’m assuming all roles will be normal versions unless explicitly marked otherwise.

Thanks! Definitely curious to get feedback about overall balance. That is a safe assumption, most of the roles are normal and the ones that aren't should be straightfoward enough (but of course feel free to ask questions, stuff like mason and neighbor are obviously unique here).

[Isis]

Needs more checkers tbh

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: draughts pack

1. 1-shot Checker
2. 1-shot Checker
3. 1-shot Checker
4. 1-shot Checker
5. 1-shot Checker
6. 1-shot Checker
7. 1-shot Checker
8. 1-shot Checker
9. 1-shot Checker
10. 1-shot Checker
11. 1-shot Checker
12. 1-shot Checker
13. 1-shot Checker

Coming up with roles that do stuff that are not super useful is hard lol.

[Gypyx]

what does "1-shot Reflexive Bulletproof" do?

[Gypyx]

and otherwise, i'd think that like, maybe more roles with more than a single use could be a slight improvement ? because there's gonna be a lot of "draft what you're using tonight" otherwise, i'm afraid

[MURDERCAT]

It's bulletproof that works once. I think it's normally just called 1-shot bulletproof, but I wanted to be explicit that it isn't activated.

[Gypyx]

well, 1-shot bulletproof is by default like that, but okay

[Gypyx]

but i like what you've done with the idea for the record ! Really feels like you smoothed out what i messed up

[MURDERCAT]

Thanks! The benefit of having the setup run once is worth a lot! And happy to have suggests for places to increase shots, this is definitely a jumping off point and I have no clue if it is balanced or anything.

[Gypyx]

well, probably in the weaker roles i'd say? like, voyeur, check, and the likes

i'd also say to but draft related roles as additional boosters

thought about this, and combined could maybe be a fun thing to add also kinda?

[Infinity 324]

It's bulletproof that works once. I think it's normally just called 1-shot bulletproof, but I wanted to be explicit that it isn't activated.

"Passive bulletproof" would be clearer I think?

[MURDERCAT]

If it's not confusing, I'm perfectly happy to just call it 1-shot bulletproof

[Ircher]

Yeah, I think reflexive bulletproof is more confusing. Bulletproof is after all a normal role, and without the activated modifier, it's considered a passive in normal games.

As for names, Draft Idea Mafia? Dunno if that's much better.

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah, I think reflexive bulletproof is more confusing. Bulletproof is after all a normal role, and without the activated modifier, it's considered a passive in normal games.

Done!

Draft Idea is definitely an option, I personally find it difficult to keep all of them straight, but if people think it's better than Draft Mafia I'm fine with it

[samantha97]

I think this runs the risk of being very townsided if the role pool isn't neutral

e.g. vigilante = neutral, cop = town

[MURDERCAT]

I am certainly willing to accept that conclusion. I do think that scum:

1. Gets a lot of insight into the strength of many town player's roles do to the passing mechanics
2. Has a lot of interesting fake claim strategies
3. Gets to "burn" a lot of useful roles

but I am certainly more worried about it being town-sided than scum-sided.

[Infinity 324]

The effect is probably lessened by the fact that scum get to choose the roles that benefit them but yeah.