Term Replacement: Lovers and S* Bombers [CW: Self-Harm]

Ythan · Post Post #2 (isolation #0) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:38 pm

This is nice it's so easy to overlook these things.

Ythan · Post Post #3 (isolation #1) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:44 pm

I mean it took us nearly two decades to change lynch so I think that's pretty obvious.

Ythan · Post Post #11 (isolation #2) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:25 pm

Beestinger

Ythan · Post Post #14 (isolation #3) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:56 pm

Kamikaze is very self explanatory. I like it.

Ythan · Post Post #15 (isolation #4) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:57 pm

Could also just be a modifier in this case for vig.

Ythan · Post Post #18 (isolation #5) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:17 pm

In post 17, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 13, Ircher wrote:What about Kamikaze Pilot for S Bomb? It's the same concept, but I think Kamikaze has better connotations.

In post 14, Ythan wrote:Kamikaze is very self explanatory. I like it.
I mean, I thought about that but I've heard it can be racially charged as well, thus not suggesting it myself. If I am offbase though, it's not a bad suggestion.

Yeah I thought about this too and I'm not sure myself. I think it might be fine though and hope to get some more eyes on it.

Ythan · Post Post #26 (isolation #6) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:43 am

Sacrificial's not bad.

Ythan · Post Post #35 (isolation #7) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:39 am

I don't think sacrificing your life for a goal is problematic in the same way as suicide.

Ythan · Post Post #40 (isolation #8) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:58 am

Doomed is nice for that.

Ythan · Post Post #45 (isolation #9) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:55 am

I like doomed for that but less for something like lovers which is triggered rather than on a countdown.

Ythan · Post Post #47 (isolation #10) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:05 am

I think heartbreak is nice.

Ythan · Post Post #51 (isolation #11) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:40 am

I'd call it a sacrificial vig, meaning it dies when it uses the ability.

Ythan · Post Post #53 (isolation #12) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:43 am

Then call it that imo.

Ythan · Post Post #63 (isolation #13) » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:49 pm

To me an activated bomb is a bomb that only explodes if killed on a night the bomb ability is activated, presumably as opposed to another ability.

Ythan · Post Post #66 (isolation #14) » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:14 am

Nosy Goblin

I really thought there were more creatures with straight "sac this to destroy target creature."

Ythan · Post Post #69 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:13 pm

Sacrificial vig still my favorite too for all those same reasons.

Ythan · Post Post #72 (isolation #16) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:31 pm

In post 71, callforjudgement wrote:Combined Quitter

Now you're thinking with modifiers

Ythan · Post Post #75 (isolation #17) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:15 am

I asked once about combined modifiers with targeted and self-targeting abilities and while I do agree that, as the normalcy guidelines point to the wiki, that's technically correct (at least for the different question I was asking regarding normalcy), I think we should consider changing the wording to require that only all freely targetable abilities should be made against one target while all self targeting abilities also trigger. The modifier should limit the function of the role, not which abilities can be combined by a mod.

Ythan · Post Post #83 (isolation #18) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:59 am

I still quite like sacrificial.

Ythan · Post Post #85 (isolation #19) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:04 am

Honestly I'd be in favor of this change even without the problems with the current term. Bomber really is just a variant of vig and defining it with a modifier, which might also be fun with other roles too, is just a good game design move I think.

Ythan · Post Post #88 (isolation #20) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:15 am

I haven't heard that preference before! But interesting.

Is it the normalcy guidelines that push us to have these discrete standardized role building blocks? I think at least with the normal guidelines being able to mix and match powers and modifiers is helpful. And we could never come up with a unique term for every combination.

Ythan · Post Post #90 (isolation #21) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:54 am

Normal guidelines as written allow infinite combinations of approved roles and modifiers.

Ythan · Post Post #92 (isolation #22) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:25 am

I believe some specific variations do have standardized names. The normal guidelines do require the use of standardized names though so they'd have to be established beforehand. Which is possible.

Ythan · Post Post #94 (isolation #23) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:26 am

Heheheh

Ythan · Post Post #95 (isolation #24) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:27 am

I didn't know most of those though nice.

Ythan · Post Post #96 (isolation #25) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:29 am

I also think it's good for mods to have a flexible way to create new unexpected role combinations within the normal guidelines.

Ythan · Post Post #98 (isolation #26) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:31 am

Agreed yeah.

Ythan · Post Post #100 (isolation #27) » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:37 am

Whoa I get it now nice

Ythan · Post Post #113 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:28 am

So that's where you pulled it from

Ythan · Post Post #117 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:36 am

Fuck off troll

Ythan · Post Post #119 (isolation #30) » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:46 am

In post 117, Ythan wrote:Fuck off troll

Ythan · Post Post #128 (isolation #31) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:54 am

Nancy is right Tina is wrong.

Ythan · Post Post #130 (isolation #32) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:05 am

You have consistently bad takes on this subject as well.

Ythan · Post Post #132 (isolation #33) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:08 am

Consistently bad takes.

Ythan · Post Post #134 (isolation #34) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:16 am

I'm highlighting that you've been making bad posts about this exact subject in a nearly identical thread within the past 48 hours.

Ythan · Post Post #136 (isolation #35) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:25 am

Saying they posts you're making are bad is not personal. You may be a smart person but these posts you are making are clueless and miss the point.

Ythan · Post Post #138 (isolation #36) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:37 am

That's a really stupid question and you're not a stupid person so I'm not going to condescend to pretend you don't actually understand what you're doing here.

Ythan · Post Post #140 (isolation #37) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:39 am

Apparently that's what this thread is for now though.

Ythan · Post Post #151 (isolation #38) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:07 am

In post 148, samantha97 wrote:no actual muslim would look at that role and see it as relating to themselves

Wow that's so fucking dumb and wrong lol

Ythan · Post Post #152 (isolation #39) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:08 am

You gonna post shit like that and then whine about anyone else making assumptions get the fuck outta here lol

Ythan · Post Post #154 (isolation #40) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:29 am

In post 151, Ythan wrote:
In post 148, samantha97 wrote:no actual muslim would look at that role and see it as relating to themselves
Wow that's so fucking dumb and wrong lol

In post 152, Ythan wrote:You gonna post shit like that and then whine about anyone else making assumptions get the fuck outta here lol