Consistency of the Rule Regarding Quotation

[MURDERCAT]

Right now there is a very simple rule: don't lift any direct phrases from you role pm
You are arguing to make the rule worse by suggesting that you should be able to do this as long it doesn't effect the gamestate and here's a test to know if it affects the gamestate

Just don't lift direct phrases from your role pm. Cut and dry, there is no reason to make the rule and more complicated than that. It is not a high bar.

[MURDERCAT]

There may be game damage if someone has similar phrases in their own role PM and can use that to confirm the claim. Again, it is not a high bar and it is pretty rare

[MURDERCAT]

We just think that it shouldn't be punished by a modkill unless the integrity of the slot is completely ruined.

It is hard to know if that will be the case and if you wait around the game could potentially become unsalvageable.

[MURDERCAT]

I just don't see how loosening anything helps. Don't break the very simple rule and you won't get modkilled

[MURDERCAT]

I do think perhaps the rules should include some examples given people seem to have a difference of opinions about where the line is.

But I think the line should stay where it is.

pedit: I get that, but I think the "it's always a modkill" is fine because it can easily lead to confirmed roles. Better to be strict as the game can always go on from a modkill.

[MURDERCAT]

Would you modkill in the scenario in my thought experiment?

If the mod modkilled in that scenario because they felt it was over the line and could give an advantage I would be ok with it

You can just say, "I think I'm a miller because my role pm mentions dirty money" to achieve the same effect

[MURDERCAT]

I think it's worth remembering that if you are a mod and you choose not to modkill that is fine. But if another mod chooses to modkill because they think it can give an advantage and multiple words are copied I think it's fine for a mod to do that to do what they need to do to protect the gamestate.

[MURDERCAT]

Then say "I have had dirty money since Day 1" there is always a way to paraphrase. Even situations like the one SS posted with the fruit can allow an outside influence to impact the game. Mods almost never want to modkill and if they do that's what the listmods are there for. Trust mods and listmods to determine if there is a risk to the gamestate. Even seemingly minor phrasing could cause problems. Don't get anywhere near the line in your own games.

[MURDERCAT]

"I have had dirty money since Day 1"
"How much?"
"1 pile"

It is your responsibility as a player to avoid copying word for word phrases. In your example if there is another miller they could confirm the claim based on what you posted.

[MURDERCAT]

I do not think there is a way of saying that you started the game with 1 pile of dirty money without saying the words "1 pile of dirty money" in roughly that order

Sure, I think that's fine. Just don't include the other nongame terms in the same order