What happened to Vanilla Cop?

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What happened to Vanilla Cop? Unless I am miss remembering, wasn't Neapolitan what vanilla cop originally was?

The current version of Vanilla Cop finds power roles. Goons are seen as vanilla (You can't confirm anyone as any alignment as this role. You can only verify power role claims. You don't find who is truly vanilla)

Neapolitan finds vanillas and non vanillas. Goons are seen as non-vanilla (You can confirm vanilla townies as this role and find who truly is vanilla)

Why has Vanilla cop changed into a weaker version of itself? Its become a crappy variant of its past self

Neapolitan should be called Vanilla Cop because it finds Vanillas

and the Vanilla Cop we have today should be called Power Role Cop or Non Vanilla Cop

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I didn't know you were in NRG again. I'm glad that you are and are bringing the more powerful role back (Neapolitan does sound cool). But a role really should do what it says.

They kinda each do the opposite of what they say now

Perhaps the roles should be Vanilla Finder and Power Role Finder?

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Neapolitan is a good name. And I guess when you put it the way you just did, it does do what it says

But Vanilla cop (the new vanilla cop) really doesn't do what it says. NRG shouldn't have made it weaker in the first place. They should have just made a new role and name and not changed what was already good. They kinda ruined it. If it ain't broke don't fix it. I want vanilla cop to be what it used to be and this new vanilla cop to be pushed to the very back of the freezer and get neglected

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I agree the term finder and or the term cop shouldn't be just tacked onto things. So ultimately I guess we are going about the process wrong

I just want a name that sticks to a role and does what its always done in the end

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That may be true but I still don't like the change

I guess I'll just settle for the fact that the stronger role has the cooler name

Would anyone raise a fit if I updated the wiki to mention what came first and or this thread?

We don't have to change the names, but I'd still like the history preserved

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I also like X-cop. It's immediately apparent what the role does without the player having to be worried about quoting their role PM and makes flips a lot simpler.

This is why I like the name to match the power, but because of how often each role is getting used, values are getting wrongly distributed here

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There's a part of me that wants to call Neapolitan as Neapolitan or Vanilla cop

And there's a part of me that wants to call the new vanilla cop, Taste Tester or Food Critic

Especially since a taste tester or food critic still has to rate them after trying them. You still got to figure out what their alignment is after you take a bite

(I want ice cream real bad right now. Thread has made me hungry)

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Yay I'm partly to blame for the neighbor name confusion. I forgot about friendly neighbors when i gave unconfirmed masons that name

Names are not as important as the meaning in the end. Shakespeare would agree

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yep. I created a monster. Neighbor mainly stuck because I thought of it at the right time

For what its worth Pledges does sound like an awesome name.

Probably should make the neighbor alias pledges and the new vanilla cop alias taste tester or food critic (whatever sounds better)

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Yes

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We could take a pAge out of epic mafia and call neighbors Templars.

In terms of how cool the names sound

neighbors > pledges > templars

Pen pal is already a name for a similar mason like role. I am against using that for another role

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Like I said, I like Socialite or Debutante. I've got a strong preference toward one-word names.

an upper-class young woman making her first appearance in fashionable society.

Both of those are fine though I will likely still refer to the role as friendly neighbor as its not confusing to me. The concept is only really confusing to new players and if you want to use either of these to teach new players that's fine by me

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I like BBmolla's suggestion though Neapolitan sounds cooler

Townie cop would be good alias for it though