Movies and TV Shows like Mafia

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Post Post #0  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:20 am

I was talking in scumchat about this movie I saw on Netflix recently called Circle. The basic premise (from wiki):

Fifty people wake up in a darkened room, arranged in two concentric circles around a black dome. Noises sound when they attempt to move or touch the others. When someone ignores the warning and leaves formation, a beam from the dome kills them. As the others panic, a man attempts to calm them. In mid-sentence, he is killed by the device. Thereafter, every two minutes, another person is killed. After several people die, they realize they can vote for who dies. When nobody votes, one is selected randomly.




The movie is literally just this - people talking, arguing, discussing, who should die next. It's fantastic and very much reminds me of the discussions that occur in games here.

There are actually a lot of times when I come across situations in movies or tv shows where I'm like, ok so it's basically mafia :lol:
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Post Post #1  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:24 am

who dunnit specials
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Post Post #2  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:40 am

kinda sorta if you tilt ur head and squint

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the movie itself severely disappointed me though... :(
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Post Post #3  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:41 am

there's also a russian movie based on mafia but i haven't seen that one
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Post Post #4  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:00 am

death note is a source of inspiration for lots of people here

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Post Post #5  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:26 pm

In post 0, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:The movie is literally just this - people talking, arguing, discussing, who should die next. It's fantastic and very much reminds me of the discussions that occur in games here.

There are actually a lot of times when I come across situations in movies or tv shows where I'm like, ok so it's basically mafia

it also reminds me how far lurking can get you in a game.
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Post Post #6  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:50 pm

Probably not what you had in mind for this thread but the BBC has a panel show called Would I Lie To You? that feels pretty Mafia-ish in a lot of ways. It's fun to play along with at home. You start getting meta tells on some of the regular contestants after a while.
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Post Post #7  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:09 pm

In post 2, Antihero wrote:kinda sorta if you tilt ur head and squint

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the movie itself severely disappointed me though... :(



I liked it
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Post Post #8  (ISO)  » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:35 am

In post 6, Postie wrote:Probably not what you had in mind for this thread but the BBC has a panel show called Would I Lie To You? that feels pretty Mafia-ish in a lot of ways. It's fun to play along with at home. You start getting meta tells on some of the regular contestants after a while.

its not hugely like mafia but is a rly good show anyway that you should all watch
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Post Post #9  (ISO)  » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:26 am

The Mole series works a a sort of "Town versus Serial Killer" set-up ... one player motivated to sabatoge the other players and escape discovery.
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Post Post #10  (ISO)  » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:59 pm

Circle was a decent movie, but its better not knowing much about it going into it because it adds to general emotions of characters early on. A interesting part for discussion after watching it is

Spoiler:
Who actually are the antagonists and protagonists in the movie, if there even are any.
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Post Post #11  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:38 am

In post 4, Psyche wrote:death note is a source of inspiration for lots of people here

Light would have gotten away with everything if he had just lurked instead of responding to L's challenges
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Post Post #12  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:17 pm

In post 11, Accountant wrote:
In post 4, Psyche wrote:death note is a source of inspiration for lots of people here

Light would have gotten away with everything if he had just lurked instead of responding to L's challenges



Congratulations that's literally the whole point of the series


And I don't even watch anime


Except I saw Akira in high school


But I didn't understand it

But then again no one does
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Post Post #13  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:29 pm

in the alternative storlyline where light just lurks, he doesn't have as much knowledge about or control over the course of the investigation, leaving him vulnerable in other ways

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Post Post #14  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:35 pm

Well, the whole point of the story is that Light is an egotist who thinks he alone knows who should live and die in order to create a perfect world. He can't help but interject himself into the events because his ego won't allow it.
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Post Post #15  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:44 pm

In post 13, Psyche wrote:in the alternative storlyline where light just lurks, he doesn't have as much knowledge about or control over the course of the investigation, leaving him vulnerable in other ways

Who wrote this story?
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Post Post #16  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:58 pm

In post 13, Psyche wrote:in the alternative storlyline where light just lurks, he doesn't have as much knowledge about or control over the course of the investigation, leaving him vulnerable in other ways

https://www.gwern.net/Death%20Note%20Anonymity
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Post Post #17  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:13 pm

In post 15, Firebringer wrote:
In post 13, Psyche wrote:in the alternative storlyline where light just lurks, he doesn't have as much knowledge about or control over the course of the investigation, leaving him vulnerable in other ways

Who wrote this story?

no im just describing what i think would happen

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Post Post #18  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:18 pm

In post 16, Accountant wrote:
In post 13, Psyche wrote:in the alternative storlyline where light just lurks, he doesn't have as much knowledge about or control over the course of the investigation, leaving him vulnerable in other ways

https://www.gwern.net/Death%20Note%20Anonymity

that was acc a really good read, would recommend.
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Post Post #19  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:32 pm

yah if accountant keeps reading high quality stuff like that there is hope for them yet

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Post Post #20  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:04 am

Essentially the summary is that Death Note is a mafia game where there are 7 billion players and mafia autowins on Day 500(or whatever, to represent Kira taking over the world and everyone bowing down to him - we see the US and others doing this in canon). In that kinda game lurking is basically the best strategy
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Post Post #21  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:35 am

no, you've misread the article

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Post Post #22  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:37 am

where's the keeper of light
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Post Post #23  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:58 am

In post 21, Psyche wrote:no, you've misread the article

What was your interpretation of it? My interpretation was that Light's mistake was to do stuff that narrowed down the suspect list, such as using police information or that thingy shamingy with Lind Tailor
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Post Post #24  (ISO)  » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:14 am

it's a description of what he did wrong, not a prescription for what to do right
article says ideal play is constant misdirection

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