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Post Post #50  (ISO)  » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:37 pm

Always / never rules dont exist.

This should be left to the moderator and players to decide.
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Post Post #51  (ISO)  » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:38 pm

In post 50, Ircher wrote:Always / never rules dont exist.

This should be left to the moderator and players to decide.


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Post Post #52  (ISO)  » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:12 pm

I prefer releasing all night chats

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Post Post #53  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:34 pm

If someone doesn't want the world to see their conversations, the mod and players should be able to respect that. You aren't entitled to know anything. This is common sense in society as a whole, not just forum mafia.
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Post Post #54  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:33 pm

In post 53, Agent Sparkles wrote:If someone doesn't want the world to see their conversations, the mod and players should be able to respect that. You aren't entitled to know anything. This is common sense in society as a whole, not just forum mafia.



Why are you entitled to privacy in a public game?

Why are you entitled to private conversations with a teammate chosen at random?

What's the difference between the mod releasing the PT and your scum/mason buddy doing the same or even lying about its contents?
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Post Post #55  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:34 pm

Common sense in society as a whole includes not lying and not screwing over other people. Mafia by definition asks both of these things of a player.
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Post Post #56  (ISO)  » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:26 pm

I'm still not sure why "I'm going to refrain from saying things that I don't want anyone to read" is so hard to understand.
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Post Post #57  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:02 am

just let people redact things jesus

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Post Post #58  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:35 am

In post 11, Ircher wrote:It's a courtesy thing.

I believe in releasing pts, but you should have the option of having your content being removed/filtered.

In post 50, Ircher wrote:Always / never rules dont exist.

This should be left to the moderator and players to decide.
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Post Post #59  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:06 pm

In post 58, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 11, Ircher wrote:It's a courtesy thing.

I believe in releasing pts, but you should have the option of having your content being removed/filtered.

In post 50, Ircher wrote:Always / never rules dont exist.

This should be left to the moderator and players to decide.



Why should you be allowed to remove relevant parts of the game?

Should you be allowed to remove posts from a completed game as well?
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Post Post #60  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:23 pm

In post 59, kuribo wrote:
In post 58, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 11, Ircher wrote:It's a courtesy thing.

I believe in releasing pts, but you should have the option of having your content being removed/filtered.

In post 50, Ircher wrote:Always / never rules dont exist.

This should be left to the moderator and players to decide.



Why should you be allowed to remove relevant parts of the game?

Should you be allowed to remove posts from a completed game as well?




Relevant how? At least let the players filter what they post in a... private ... topic as to not cause drama if they posted anything that otherwise would, for posterity's sake. Let the players redact what they want before they're released. Players are given a private topic completely by chance, so let them be private in that because in (Scum)(Mason)(Neighboroods)PTs there is basically raw theory talk and intricate thought processes and because of this people speak unfiltered on players and the game itself because of the security of the "private" topic. These are rights that they should have, at the very least.


Completed game posts aren't the same as PTs for... several reasons, that I don't even think we should attempt the comparison? Let the game moderator decide what to do with PTs rather than creating an unnecessary blanket rule. The way I see it, if someone put their time and effort into running a particular game, they should decide what they do with their private topics, not other people or general policy. The option to redact things before the PTs go out should always be there. Because of the intimacy of PTs there's benefit to reading them and learning to better your play. It's in everyone's best interest that the players in the private topics can redact what [they] said in [their] private topics, to be honest.
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Post Post #61  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:35 pm

I think forcing private topics to be 100% released with zero redactions places an unfair ethical implication on the concept of a "Private" Topic and doesn't address how unique they are in and of themselves, or how unique people that play mafia are. It's largely obstructive.
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Post Post #62  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:19 pm

No one's asking for private conversations to be released. The idea is that scum PTs are not private conversations, they're game related conversations that are part of a game.
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Post Post #63  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:20 pm

In post 60, Zachstralkita wrote:These are rights that they should have, at the very least.


Why?

Your shitty meta is not my responsibility.

Your inability to speak of other players without being a dick is not my responsibility either.
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Post Post #64  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:21 pm

In post 63, kuribo wrote:
In post 60, Zachstralkita wrote:These are rights that they should have, at the very least.


Why?

Your shitty meta is not my responsibility.

Your inability to speak of other players without being a dick is not my responsibility either.


Right now your the dick

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Post Post #65  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:21 pm

In post 60, Zachstralkita wrote:Because of the intimacy of PTs there's benefit to reading them and learning to better your play. It's in everyone's best interest that the players in the private topics can redact what [they] said in [their] private topics, to be honest.


Except it's part of the game, a written record of events that occurred involving players other than the solipsistic scum partner who doesn't want his shitty meta out there or his shitty comments.
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Post Post #66  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:21 pm

In post 64, Mulch wrote:
In post 63, kuribo wrote:
In post 60, Zachstralkita wrote:These are rights that they should have, at the very least.


Why?

Your shitty meta is not my responsibility.

Your inability to speak of other players without being a dick is not my responsibility either.


Right now your the dick



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I meant "you" as in the universal "you," dingus.
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Post Post #67  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:23 pm

My bad

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Post Post #68  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:24 pm

In post 64, Mulch wrote:
In post 63, kuribo wrote:
In post 60, Zachstralkita wrote:These are rights that they should have, at the very least.


Why?

Your shitty meta is not my responsibility.

Your inability to speak of other players without being a dick is not my responsibility either.


Right now your the dick




also it's "you're" when you're referring to "you are"

"your" implies possession and therefore your post makes no sense
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Post Post #69  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:34 pm

In post 63, kuribo wrote:
In post 60, Zachstralkita wrote:These are rights that they should have, at the very least.


Why?

Your shitty meta is not my responsibility.

Your inability to speak of other players without being a dick is not my responsibility either.


See below.

kuribo wrote:The idea is that scum PTs are not private conversations, they're game related conversations that are part of a game.


Which is what my stance acknowledges. If they say something that can be considered excessive it's probably not "game-related" to the point where you need to see it, so they can redact it. The players by all rights, should be able to redact things. Policing how they do so would be stupid. Insisting that they not is weird. Your position is rather black-and-white and I'm not equipped to articulate what I mean precisely, but someone else probably can, I'd hope.

kuribo wrote:
In post 60, Zachstralkita wrote:Because of the intimacy of PTs there's benefit to reading them and learning to better your play. It's in everyone's best interest that the players in the private topics can redact what [they] said in [their] private topics, to be honest.


Except it's part of the game, a written record of events that occurred involving players other than the solipsistic scum partner who doesn't want his shitty meta out there or his shitty comments.


It's more intricate than what you've generalized my arguments to, for one you think I'm trying to save people who are disrespectful (or happen to be weak scum players) which means you're already trying to doubtcast my argument. It's more complex than that. It's faulty to deal in absolutes, too. What goes on in PTs is only your business if the moderator says it is, anyway. The players in those PTs have probably put as much effort into playing to their wincon as everyone else, so if they want to redact shit then let them. If something's abusive to the point where intervention would be needed it would be dealt with otherwise and thus not be a question. If they want to redact the post where they talk about hot dogs then let them? I don't see why it's a major issue unless you have some problem relating to this that I... probably... have no concern for, considering I think the game is fine the way it is and I don't think the way PTs work so far have been any problem, unless there's a convincing reason you WANT to know everything everyone says because one hundred percent knowledge of the full raw gamestate is absolutely essential. Which I can say I would then disagree with.
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Post Post #70  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:55 pm

In post 69, Zachstralkita wrote:If they say something that can be considered excessive it's probably not "game-related" to the point where you need to see it, so they can redact it. T



So all non-game related posts should be removed from games at the users request?
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Post Post #71  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:55 pm

By definition any exchange that takes place in a game- whether in scum PTs or outside of it- is game related
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Post Post #72  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:09 pm

Nothing in life is defined by its technical definition

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Post Post #73  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:10 pm

In post 72, Mulch wrote:Nothing in life is defined by its technical definition



So private topics shouldn't remain private for the sole reason of being called "private?"
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Post Post #74  (ISO)  » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:24 pm

In post 70, kuribo wrote:
In post 69, Zachstralkita wrote:If they say something that can be considered excessive it's probably not "game-related" to the point where you need to see it, so they can redact it. T



So all non-game related posts should be removed from games at the users request?


Lol, no. It goes back to PTs are different.


In post 71, kuribo wrote:By definition any exchange that takes place in a game- whether in scum PTs or outside of it- is game related


Sure, but textbooks are boring and impractical at times.
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