How common are town sweeps?

[camn]

Hi guys.

So, I recently was part of a mini that had a sweep by the town. No mislynches (though only because the D1 lynch was blocked!)
anyway, have been on both ends of SCUM sweeps before, but i have never seen a perfect town game iirc... And I got to thinking:

how common are they?
Town "perfect games"?

And what makes a perfect game?
No mislynches, obv.
Must one also avoid nightkills?

Please discuss.

[molestargazer]

I would imaging avoid nightkills as well as mislynches is pretty much impossible unless there's a very lucky doc(s).

I would consider a game a town 'perfect game' if there were no mislynches, or no pro-town deaths at night caused by town PRs (such as vig, PGO, etc).

[Faraday]

Pick Your Power 1 was a clean sweep as far as I'm concerned.

No Mislynches at all. Was pretty cool.


As for the game you're talking about, yeah I'd consider it mostly a clean sweep, the Deer non lynch day 1 didn't matter and really was pretty easy from then on.

Also I don't imagine they're very common at all, I think usually town have to play well to get a clean sweep whereas scum wouldn't have to play as well, especially in Mini games.

[Zachrulez]

Not very common in my experience.

[Pomegranate]

Pick Your Power 1 was a clean sweep as far as I'm concerned.

That game was

awesome

.

[Leafsnail]

Re no nightkills, I did play a time travelling game where both scum were lynched in succession. Then, if the game had continued, the roleblocker could've gone back in time one night and stopped the mafia member from killing the person they killed. So... yeah.

[Zorblag]

Troll agrees that these no be all that common. Only one springs to mind that Troll was in but that one was great because not only did scum get lynched both days but zwetschenwasser was the townie that got killed Night One. It was like better than perfect.

Newbie Game 852. F11 setup with no town power roles.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[camn]

now that IS a perfect game!!

[kunkstar7]

Newbie 54
Newbie 67
Newbie 70
Newbie 77
Newbie 139
Newbie 247
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Newbie 367
Newbie 520
Newbie 532
Newbie 543
Newbie 923

All of these had perfect games for town. No mislynches or nightkills on townies is the definition of "perfect" in these above examples.

[Leafsnail]

I suppose if you hit one scum on day 1 in a newbie game his partner is often obvious/ desperate, and thus you can get him on the next day.

[camn]

I figure smaller games are easier in general.
I am sure there are a ton of perfect Lover's and Vengefuls, right?

I think in a 12p or larger, no nightkills would be pretty hard to accomplish.
I wonder if there are any perfect LARGE games? 4+ scum?

[The Fonz]

Ye Olde Tymes mafia would have been perfect, save for me and Raging Rabbit not being able to get on in time to apply the hammer on day two, causing a nolynch.

[Pomegranate]

Troll agrees that these no be all that common. Only one springs to mind that Troll was in but that one was great because not only did scum get lynched both days but zwetschenwasser was the townie that got killed Night One. It was like better than perfect.

Newbie Game 852. F11 setup with no town power roles.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

I recall seeing zwets joining a Newbie game as an IC, and having a *headdesk* moment.

So

this

is what happened.

[Hoopla]

Outside newbie games and various small open games, I don't think it is very likely we'll ever see a true town sweep. The closest I remember seeing was Mini 645, which saw a three player scumteam eliminated with just one town casualty, due to a successful town block and vig shot. Strangely, the one town death was a mislynch, so this probably wouldn't be regarded as a sweep. Even more strangely, Darox was two of the four deaths - one on each side.

[Battousai]

I would say a town perfect game would be where the town did not make a mistake as a whole (ie no mislynches or NK's resulting from town powerroles). Statistically, the larger the ratio of town to scum, the harder it is. And compared to a scum sweep, the difficulty is much harder as the town has more members which gives them more chances to make a mistake.

[animorpherv1]

I have never been in a town sweep. I'd say Mafia sweeps are muc more common.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd say a town sweep requires optimal town play: no mislynches, no town nightkilled if possible, definitely no misvigs.

[McMenno]

holy mother of necros

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW I wouldn't count a True Love where the proper pairs but the wrong players were lynched. I say this since I played a game where this happened.

[Infinity 324]

That was pretty hilarious

[mhsmith0]

Town sweeps are unusual.

I was in one as town in a newbie, 1753. I was in one as a solo SK too (8v1, AITP)

I don't think I've been in any others, barring turbos which don't really count.

[mhsmith0]

BTW I wouldn't count a True Love where the proper pairs but the wrong players were lynched. I say this since I played a game where this happened.

Yeah that game was freaking hilarious (I was the mod)

[mastina]

Town sweeps are unusual.

Which is one reason getting rid of the "best town" scummy is so abysmal given that the sheer unusualness of a town sweep makes it noteworthy and barring broken setups probably a result of overall stellar town play. /rant

[Lil Uzi Vert]

SK sweeps >>>>

[Antihero]

Town sweeps are unusual.

Which is one reason getting rid of the "best town" scummy is so abysmal given that the sheer unusualness of a town sweep makes it noteworthy and barring broken setups probably a result of overall stellar town play. /rant

haha silly mastina

everyone knows town sweeps are always the result of townsided setups

thats why all scumteams need at least 2 day vigs