Including Oneself in Town Lists

[Accountant]

I think for this contrivedness matters more than meta

[copper223]

Agreed, meta is an indicator that in this instance it may be more or less likely contrived:

1. Why is he doing this here and never before? If he has a specific reason for doing so here as scum that's suspicious and a possible slip.

2. He always does that anyway so I'm probably reading too much into it, or do I have a reason to believe the list is contrived anyway because of the way it is presented, or the way he says he is using his alignment to come to certain conclusions I disagree with, or the tone of the list seems scummy etc...

In the second case the latter is more important but you should keep the former in mind especially if you generally behave the opposite way, otherwise you will likely fall into the: he is not playing how I subjectively (justified or not) believe to be optimal so he must be scum, fallacy.

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe the reads and how they change are the most important things to look at, regardless of self-inclusion.

[BrainpanSonata]

I think it's okay for roster runs where you list players' actions, but it's unnecessary for a simple read list.

[Raskolnikov]

Including Oneself in Town Lists

this triggers me so much
This one game I read also zyf made charts of everyones read on everyone and he put had big green diagonal filled to represent everyone townreading themselves
which along with just being inherently painful, it being presented right beside actual information and taking up half the graphic pretty much defeated the purpose of the graph as a way to communicate information

[Ircher]

My readlist template includes myself in it with a short blurb why cuz welll, its my pov. Like anything else, meta should be the prevailing tool; if this is unusual, it may be scummy; if the player always do it, you cannot stop them so dont lynch them just cuz of a habit/personal preference.

[Raskolnikov]

No, I think for the greater good we should agree as a site to policy lynch people until they stop doing this

[Alchemist21]

That's a terrible reason for policy lynching people. (and since when do policy lynches work anyway?)

[Accountant]

This isnt a big deal guys

[Raskolnikov]

That's a terrible reason for policy lynching people. (and since when do policy lynches work anyway?)

looks like we have a selfread apolgist

This isnt a big deal guys

enabler!

[MagnaofIllusion]

No, I think for the greater good we should agree as a site to policy lynch people until they stop doing this

On the list of things this site needs to implement policy lynches for "Listing yourself as Town in your reads lists" is so far down the chart as to be effectively out of the discussion.

[Raskolnikov]

im sorry it was hyperbole
i only lynch people for this sometimes not all the time

[kuribo]

Remember the golden rule:

There is no scum tell too too stupid that some idiot will never invoke it.

[Zachrulez]

Assigning value to including (or not including) oneself on a townlist is really grasping at straws.

[Vi]

Remember the golden rule:

There is no scum tell too too stupid that some idiot will never invoke it.

so remember the time that curiouskarmadog was scum and made up a tell that someone who says "to be honest" is more likely to be scum because it implies that they weren't being honest previously

and then how that actually caught on for a while

[Alchemist21]

^How long ago was that? I've seen it as recently as March.

[Accountant]

one time I made up some shit about a statistical study that showed you were more likely to get scum lynched if you used hashtags to push them, like #lynchaccountant, #accountantmisrepping, #throwingshade and so on rather than stating your points properly

at least one person took it seriously

[callforjudgement]

Back when confirmations were normally done in-thread, at least one player claimed that you could figure out if someone was scum purely from the way they confirmed.

Given that many people used to type /confirm regardless of alignment, it's hard to see how that could work.

[Accountant]

Back when confirmations were normally done in-thread, at least one player claimed that you could figure out if someone was scum purely from the way they confirmed.

Given that many people used to type /confirm regardless of alignment, it's hard to see how that could work.

I have seen one person claim that those who confirmed earlier are mafia because mafia are excited to play.

[Infinity 324]

I have seen one person claim that when you suggest dumb idea, everyone who hears them gets dumber.

[PeregrineV]

You are never scum, so you should always consider yourself town.

My own inclusion of myself of my lists is probably pretty arbitrary- sometimes I do it and sometimes I don't.

[Vi]

^How long ago was that? I've seen it as recently as March.

Three years ago, maybe? Time blurs.

I feel like I've missed out on this vast opportunity to deliberately introduce bogus scumtells for the troll factor. Maybe it's not too late...?

[Accountant]

^How long ago was that? I've seen it as recently as March.

Three years ago, maybe? Time blurs.

I feel like I've missed out on this vast opportunity to deliberately introduce bogus scumtells for the troll factor. Maybe it's not too late...?

those who have anime avatars are more likely to be scum

[Vi]

^How long ago was that? I've seen it as recently as March.

Three years ago, maybe? Time blurs.

I feel like I've missed out on this vast opportunity to deliberately introduce bogus scumtells for the troll factor. Maybe it's not too late...?

those who have anime avatars are more likely to be scum

That tell is more often seen in GD and more geared toward finding VIs.

Also in practice people are bad at identifying anime.

[kuribo]

I once saw someone arguing that all the town PMs had gone out sooner, therefore everyone who confirmed quickly was town.

PS, they were wrong about the PMs but right about the person being scum

PSS, believe it or not it was Tierce in a rare moment of not thinking clearly that made the argument

PSSS, scum won regardless because I was the sole survivor