Culmination Of Stuff re: Normals

[Howl]

*I'd imagine not. (in the first line)

[reinoe]

What happens to someone who uses their hider ability to hide behind someone being jailkept?

[wgeurts]

Nothing

[Alchemist21]

What happens to someone who uses their hider ability to hide behind someone being jailkept?

Good question. I would probably use this order:

1. Hider targets
2. (Hider dies if targeting scum)
3. JK ability
4. Actions that target JK'd player.

So that if the hider targets scum, he still dies, but after hiding he gets roleblocked so that something like an investigation on the JK target doesn't affect the hider (because he's no linger hiding).

In case of a strongman, and using this order, I would say that JK target dies but hider lives due to being roleblocked after hiding.

[SleepyKrew]

that's not what a jailkeeper does

[Bicephalous Bob]

It is. Hiding affects blocking, blocking affects hiding, hiding comes before blocking in NAR, so hiding takes precedence.

[chamber]

No one said the hider was jailkept. They said the hider hid behind someone being jailkept.

[Cheery Dog]

In case of a strongman, and using this order, I would say that JK target dies but hider lives due to being roleblocked after hiding.

The hider still has everything affecting it's target happen to it as well. If it's a strongman, it can get past a roleblock of the hider. Besides the fact once the hider has hidden, the effects are already there, you can't then semi-block part of the role of the person. Unless you do weird stuff to your action resolution like separate the two parts of a jail keepers action. If you're the sort to do that sort of thing, then whatever I guess.

[chamber]

Since when does a hider get effected by

everything

?!? It just also eats kills.

[reinoe]

Since when does a hider get effected by

everything

?!? It just also eats kills.

From the wiki..
Hider

The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. The Hider is treated like the target for all other roles' purposes - for instance, if the Hider's target gets investigated by a Cop, the Cop will get results on both the target AND the Hider. Alternatively, if the Hider's target gets killed overNight, the Hider will die too.

Hehe.

[Vi]

Since when does a hider get effected by

everything

?!? It just also eats kills.

Since sometime between when you joined and when I joined.

[Cheery Dog]

Since when does a hider get effected by

everything

?!? It just also eats kills.

My guess is when weak joyrider was introduced. My role knowledge is what is put on the wiki.

[SleepyKrew]

I didn't realize Hiders got affected by everything either. Huh.

[reinoe]

Can I have night 0 start for all actions except kill actions in a normal game? Or is it a situation where if I have a night 0 start, all things have to start at night 0 including vig and/or anti-town kills?

[pisskop]

Trackers recieve PMs when they get roleblocked, correct?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Yes, they get a PM that explicitly indicates that their action didn't go through for some reason (which is generally being roleblocked but could also be due to having targetted an Ascetic role).

[pisskop]

thank ya.