In post 41, Heaven and Hell wrote:IF YOU CAN'T TELL MOLLIE AND I APART YOU DON'T DESERVE MY MUDERCOCK IN A GAME.
i can't tell if this post is me or mollie
for real though, back when DGB and I Serened for the first time with Fate, there were seriously some posts that I couldn't remember if they were me or DGB
I'll use first person nouns sometimes when I hydra to differentiate me from my partner (and I might talk about them too), but I don't make a point to do it. We're one slot, and I'm not interested in silly meta things.
In post 0, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:The thing that interests me the most is that some players make it a point to refuse to sign posts even when asked. I've never asked anyone to sign their posts but I've seen some people do which leaves me very curious about people's refusal to sign their posts. Can someone that normally adamantly refuses to sign posts explain why you do it?
One thing that I've noticed is that occasionally people will focus in on the head of the hydra they know better and will only be interested in talking to them: I understand why it happens and I don't generally mind when people address hydra heads individually but I do enjoy how ambiguity means people dealing with hydra heads don't always know who they're talking to and thus treats you the same way they'd address the head they are more familiar with, and I also like how it allows me to sort of silently pretend to be my other hydra head without anyone realizing/other head complaining about it, and I like how it encourages hydra heads to meld more than they normally would otherwise: I find my hydra partners and I tend to post more like each other when we are the hydra as opposed to two different heads.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
In post 50, PocketFullofSunshine wrote:Signing posts doesn't really mean much. I had mala post a readslist while pretending to be me because Mollie wouldn't leave me alone.
Never. If you can't tell the difference from the content then you knowing probably isn't that important or useful to you.
I don't agree because if we are all playing under alts for instance, not everyone would be able to tell who everyone else is. But that doesn't mean meta is useless when we are playing on our mains.
There are different opinions on how hydras should operate. Yours is one of them. There is no right or wrong here.
In post 27, Tierce wrote:If you can't generally tell the posters apart, you don't know their meta well enough to be making decisions based on who wrote what, as those decisions are all meta. Everything else can be figured out in the context of the game itself, and there the hydra heads should try to present as unified a front as possible and be clear when they are not in agreement.
This is a common fallacy that a lot of non-signing advocates put forth but my response is the same as my response to Faraday. Identifying a player and figuring out their alignment are two different things. Meta remains useful regardless of whether you can identify the player or not.
The thing I hate is when one head clearly hasn't been paying attention or posting, and as soon as that head comes into the thread, people start with "Okay, now explain what your other head meant by this: Oh, you can't explain?! You're scum!"
or maybe that's just a problem that I have when Serening
In post 59, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I don't agree because if we are all playing under alts for instance, not everyone would be able to tell who everyone else is. But that doesn't mean meta is useless when we are playing on our mains.
Trying to guess who someone is from ~150 players isn't the same as being able to tell if it's one of two people, though? Also anyone I think i'd be reasonably be able to meta I'd expect to have a fair idea of an alt of theirs if playing with them, or reading their games. (E.g. Tammy)
are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?
In post 59, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I don't agree because if we are all playing under alts for instance, not everyone would be able to tell who everyone else is. But that doesn't mean meta is useless when we are playing on our mains.
Trying to guess who someone is from ~150 players isn't the same as being able to tell if it's one of two people, though? Also anyone I think i'd be reasonably be able to meta I'd expect to have a fair idea of an alt of theirs if playing with them, or reading their games. (E.g. Tammy)
That's a good point but people can meta cold as well. There are a lot of times I've used meta to refine my read on players I've never played with before. There was also a time when Empire posted a massive meta case on me based on games he didn't play in. You don't have to know someone well in order to figure out whether they are playing to their town or scum meta although I think experiential meta helps.
Meta is bullshit anyway. I've seen people complain that I must be scum because I'm too nice (never mind that it's provably untrue), and also that I'm too aggressive to be town. I have literally seen both arguments from two different players in the same game. People think I'm scum if I'm not pissed off 100% of the time. People think I'm scum if I get pissed off. I literally can't play a game where people don't day shit like "why isn't kuribo yelling at us, he must be scum?" Which is pretty bullshit anyway since I love being scum to begin with. Then if someone does piss me off, it's "lol rage more scum."
People on this site are absolutely ridiculous with the amount of flawed meta they will cite and it infuriates me to murderous violence. And I can't even say how much it pisses me off because someone would call it scum theatre.
I've found the perfect solution, I just don't play anymore.
Then that's the issue with people not using meta well, not the usage of meta itself. A lot of people use meta badly or look for things that aren't alignment relevant. That doesn't take away from the fact that those of us who do know what to look for will be able to use it accurately. For instance, I use meta extensively but I doubt I'd ever call you scum for being nice. I also remember Mastin had a really good meta read on you in that Death Note game.
I'm strongly of the opinion that people who diss on meta either don't actually know how meta usage works or like you have been exposed to people who don't and have a lot of frustration over incorrect use of meta.
That's because Mastin is one of the few people that meta really properly. When I read the scum QT for anything goes, she had posted strategies for dealing with almost every towns person and it was scary accurate how well it played out from her intial assessment. Mastin scares me because she gets me.
Conversely, I remember Reck in POTUS mafia saying he figured I'd go on and on about what an asshole I was and that they'd try to lynch me. Then becoming baffled when I basically refused to do anything but troll and lurk. I was a tree stump and I knew I'd be back from the dead as confirmed town. Reck isn't a shitty player by any stretch, just that he didn't really have a good grasp of my meta. Or maybe being a treestump gave me the freedom to do whatever i wanted without fear of comeuppance. I do feel like my meta swings drastically depending on my role. In short I should always be a treestump.
In post 69, kuribo wrote:That's because Mastin is one of the few people that meta really properly. When I read the scum QT for anything goes, she had posted strategies for dealing with almost every towns person and it was scary accurate how well it played out from her intial assessment. Mastin scares me because she gets me.
Conversely, I remember Reck in POTUS mafia saying he figured I'd go on and on about what an asshole I was and that they'd try to lynch me. Then becoming baffled when I basically refused to do anything but troll and lurk. I was a tree stump and I knew I'd be back from the dead as confirmed town. Reck isn't a shitty player by any stretch, just that he didn't really have a good grasp of my meta. Or maybe being a treestump gave me the freedom to do whatever i wanted without fear of comeuppance. I do feel like my meta swings drastically depending on my role.
In short I should always be a treestump.
I thought shouting at things was indicative of ''kuribo'' aligned player in the game. I'd always assumed it was alignment independent when I first heard about it.
In post 69, kuribo wrote:Conversely, I remember Reck in POTUS mafia saying he figured I'd go on and on about what an asshole I was and that they'd try to lynch me. Then becoming baffled when I basically refused to do anything but troll and lurk. I was a tree stump and I knew I'd be back from the dead as confirmed town. Reck isn't a shitty player by any stretch, just that he didn't really have a good grasp of my meta. Or maybe being a treestump gave me the freedom to do whatever i wanted without fear of comeuppance. I do feel like my meta swings drastically depending on my role. In short I should always be a treestump.
None of that happened
Reck was scum that game
I was the only player scumreading you and I hadn't played with you before
the only time I ever signed my posts was when I was when our hydra was scum in that open game. I thought that it wld make me look protown and it worked!