Learning from Hansel and Gretel (Should you breadcrumb?)

[eyestott]

What do you think of breadcrumbing? Is it useful? Does it lend more credibility to a claim? Is it indicative?

[reinoe]

What do you think of breadcrumbing? Is it useful? Does it lend more credibility to a claim? Is it indicative?

It lends credibility to a claim if done early but if you do it too late, you lose credibility and it hurts you. 9/10 nobody will find your breadcrumb and 50% of the time it is found it's by scum.

[N]

The only thing worth crumbing is investigation results.

[Espeonage]

You should throw loaves at the appropriate time for your role.

[Konowa]

The only thing worth crumbing is investigation results.

Or targets, if weak.

[BROseidon]

The only thing worth crumbing is investigation results.

Or targets, if weak.

[BROseidon]

There isn't a large space where crumbing is correct over not doing anything or straight up claiming.

[eyestott]

What about revealing breadcrumbs during a roleclaim?

[LlamaFluff]

There isn't a large space where crumbing is correct over not doing anything or straight up claiming.

Any useful results on a day you are not planning to full claim its almost essential. You don't really ever want scum to be able to cast doubt on results, or town to not know what you did. Would rather have a slightly higher chance of it being seen by scum and killed N2 than have N1 result go to waste because it wasn't communicated correctly.

What about revealing breadcrumbs during a roleclaim?

Ideally your breadcrumb should be small things that you adjusted for your play that make sense in light of your role claim instead of any specific comments. Like any more unusual assumptions, reads, etc. If you want to do something that is a direct crumb to your role fine, but that's easy to feign so don't expect it to be bought all that often.

[Whatisswag]

What do you think of breadcrumbing? Is it useful? Does it lend more credibility to a claim? Is it indicative?

I only breadcrumb as scum and I dont do so as town, surprisingly

[Cheery Dog]

What about revealing breadcrumbs during a roleclaim?

Please don't. While nobody picks up on it while the game is ongoing, it's also pointless bringing that type of shit up later, you'll only get stupids trusting you, and you don't want stupids.


Although i think Serene2's (fake) breadcrumb pick up in Graveyard shift is worth a mention as to how it should happen.

[Shadowmod]

You can also shed super obvious crumbs around, that scum cannot possibly miss, as a VT or relatively weak PR (or, ideally, as a bomb) to distract them from any actual strong PRs in the game.

[MrTrow]

You can also shed super obvious crumbs around, that scum cannot possibly miss, as a VT or relatively weak PR (or, ideally, as a bomb) to distract them from any actual strong PRs in the game.

and be counter-claimed by a fellow townie?

[Shadowmod]

I did not say claim, I only said crumb. And ideally nothing that suggests a specific role, but rather the role name or whatever. The important point is to make it obvious that it is a crumb.

[MrTrow]

Could you explain how crumbing a rolename doesn't reveal your actual role?
Obvious enough breadcrumbing to be sure scum picks this up is different to claiming, how exactly?
Probably the outcome would be the same, wouldn't you agree?

Crumbs intended to be found, would be found by town as well right?
Retaliation to crumbs proven false would be different from retaliation against claims proven false, how?
Ultimately i would lynch anyone with a doc-crumb if someone flipped doc
Maybe you wouldn't
But i think you would be in the minority in that case

[Andrius]

Could you explain how crumbing a rolename doesn't reveal your actual role?

Crumbing 'Harry Potter' is far different than crumbing 'Cop'.
Unless rolenames are exactly parallel and highly predictable (mod-side) then this shouldn't be a problem.

See myself in Blackest Night Mafia. Crumbing role-name had no indication on role.

[Shadowmod]

Best example I can come up with right now: Look at how I managed to get myself N1 killed as VT in this game and you will understand.
And please spare me any comments on how it eventually turned out a bad idea because that town was too stupid to survive without me,

losing LyLo against scum who claimed miller only after having been investigated positive!

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[LlamaFluff]

Best example I can come up with right now: Look at how I managed to get myself N1 killed as VT in this game and you will understand.
And please spare me any comments on how it eventually turned out a bad idea because that town was too stupid to survive without me,

losing LyLo against scum who claimed miller only after having been investigated positive!

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If town OR good scum catch you doing this though you are probably going to get lynched. There have been times in games I have near lylo made notes on players along the lines of "If they claim VT they are town, if they claim a PR they are scum" and vice versa given how strong they lined up for a claim one way or another.

You are basically fake claiming if you are taking strong steps to crumbing something you are not, and you have to be willing to reap the consequences for it if you get called out by someone who saw it.

[Shadowmod]

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I have no idea what you are even referring to, Llama, are you?

[LlamaFluff]

If you are posting like you are a PR, and you don't get NKed for it, there is a good chance you will get lynched for it if someone decides to call you on it. If you think a player is probably a cop when you are playing town, and then late in the game during massclaim they claim VT, its fairly natural to call that a scumtell from them.

If you act like PR, be prepared to get nailed for it as VT as eventually you are going to make it late for whatever reason, and with a VT claim someone will go "then what was all of this posting" and are saying "I was trying to draw the NK" really doesn't look like a good response because that's an easy fallback for scum who had a claim lined up and decided to not use it.

[BROseidon]

Any useful results on a day you are not planning to full claim its almost essential. You don't really ever want scum to be able to cast doubt on results, or town to not know what you did. Would rather have a slightly higher chance of it being seen by scum and killed N2 than have N1 result go to waste because it wasn't communicated correctly.

Investigative innos (like, straight-up cop or hider, not tracker) is the only time to do it.

If you have a guilty, just take the 1-1 trade.

[Shadowmod]

If you are posting like you are a PR, and you don't get NKed for it, there is a good chance you will get lynched for it if someone decides to call you on it. If you think a player is probably a cop when you are playing town, and then late in the game during massclaim they claim VT, its fairly natural to call that a scumtell from them.

If you act like PR, be prepared to get nailed for it as VT as eventually you are going to make it late for whatever reason, and with a VT claim someone will go "then what was all of this posting" and are saying "I was trying to draw the NK" really doesn't look like a good response because that's an easy fallback for scum who had a claim lined up and decided to not use it.

Depends... If that late in the game a certain claim not matching your expectations is all you have to go after, town is in trouble anyway. And "I was crumbing my role name, so I could later plausibly claim that I did not just make it up" is always a perfectly reasonable explanation, even for a VT. Granted, scum can use the same reasoning, especially when role names are essentially meaningless, but then we are back to actions are not scummy, motivations are etc...

[Faraday]

See myself in Blackest Night Mafia. Crumbing role-name had no indication on role.

Yeah, but it also doesn't indicate alignment. Safeclaims exist in all games, so it's like, not really useful? (In terms of having your alignment figured out). People might have a tendency to enjoy pretending to be actual characters rather than their safeclaims though, not sure how true that is, just something I noticed on another site for a while.

[Untrod Tripod]

breadcrumbing made sense back in the day, but I've never seen it not be easily fakeable since like 2007

like, what the fuck does it actually prove other than you thinking you might have to claim at some point

[pirate mollie]

You should throw loaves at the appropriate time for your role.

fuck that you sometimes need to open bakeries in order for some people to get it.

Any useful results on a day you are not planning to full claim its almost essential. You don't really ever want scum to be able to cast doubt on results, or town to not know what you did. Would rather have a slightly higher chance of it being seen by scum and killed N2 than have N1 result go to waste because it wasn't communicated correctly.

Investigative innos (like, straight-up cop or hider, not tracker) is the only time to do it.

If you have a guilty, just take the 1-1 trade.

amen brother bro!