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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:53 pm

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In post 23, Mina wrote:I can't tell who's ironically being snide and who's actually a dick.

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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:55 pm

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In post 25, xRECKONERx wrote:Just as god intended

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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:35 pm

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Wishing for a friendly conversation in a heated discussion filled with paranoia is wishing for an utopia imo
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:45 pm

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In post 27, GuyInFreezer wrote:Wishing for a friendly conversation in a heated discussion filled with paranoia is wishing for an utopia imo


This.

There are times in games where people make stupid points because they're scum, so responding to their points with logic is exactly playing into their game plan. At that point, it's often times just better to resort to "I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU YOU SCUMFUCK" because they're trying to use logic and argument to derail the game away from their actual alignment.

Mastin, I'd expect you to understand that given how much you as scum use that exact tactic.

Like, optimal town play is literally blank votes with no reasoning or logic in the posts, with the expectation being that other townies can accurately infer other townie's logic because of shared positionality. The only reason we don't play like that is because we're not perfect players.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:56 pm

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In post 4, Wake1 wrote:It's toxic behavior that often damages morale. If you're Scum that's fine, but behaving like that as Town will hurt Town.
And it happens outside of games too.

In post 6, Aeronaut wrote:I've even seen it in newbie games, SEs that are being awful to newbies because they can't comprehend game theory quite yet. It happened to me when I was new and it repelled me for awhile. It needs to not happen anymore
This is a particularly bad example, too. It is the very sort of thing reinoe got banned for doing, and encourages that type of player, too: newbies are going to see it. They'll either be repelled by it (in which case, great going, guys, you just got rid of a potential scummer before they had time to develop), or tells them such an attitude is accepted and maybe even preferable, which again...is not a good implication for the long-term health of mafiascum.

In post 21, Psyche wrote:I sort of disagree very vehemently with the idea that a lot people being assholes is a "new" development here on MS.
Never said it was. This particular
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of assholery, however, IS. It's always been around in a small amount. Now, however, it's running rampant.

In post 27, GuyInFreezer wrote:Wishing for a friendly conversation in a heated discussion filled with paranoia is wishing for an utopia imo
I didn't say it had to be friendly conversation.

It's just that snide comments--especially if YOU are wrong and THEY are right--are extremely unhealthy.
There's alternatives. It's not black-and-white, one-or-the-other.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:18 pm

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In post 29, mastin2 wrote:
In post 6, Aeronaut wrote:I've even seen it in newbie games, SEs that are being awful to newbies because they can't comprehend game theory quite yet. It happened to me when I was new and it repelled me for awhile. It needs to not happen anymore
This is a particularly bad example, too. It is the very sort of thing reinoe got banned for doing


reinoe was not banned for being a "smart-aleck".
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:34 pm

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Never said it was. This particular brand of assholery, however, IS. It's always been around in a small amount. Now, however, it's running rampant.


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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:50 pm

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In post 28, BROseidon wrote:Like, optimal town play is literally blank votes with no reasoning or logic in the posts, with the expectation being that other townies can accurately infer other townie's logic because of shared positionality. The only reason we don't play like that is because we're not perfect players.

I don't think that's true, unless certain PRs that make it actionable are assumed to be in the game. You need some kind of reasoning or logic to create a frame of reference for shared positionality to happen at all. Further, the simpler approach you're proposing is easier rather than harder to fake as scum. The main weakness of reasoning and logic is that the typical player skims posts that include it, which make it harder to assess what's legitimate and what's bullshit (in other words, the weakness is itself a product of player error).

You could run a theme game with day phases structured as you propose sometime and see what happens. Maybe you could have a pretty involved nightgame to keep it interesting.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:05 am

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In post 27, GuyInFreezer wrote:Wishing for a friendly conversation in a heated discussion filled with paranoia is wishing for a
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utopia imo

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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:10 am

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I'll go ahead and claim credit for being One Of Those People
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:33 am

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Right afterwards I petition to get rid of people acting as what I like to call a dumbass-aleck. These people like to make shitposts in all subforums including this one and the main mafia forums. Typically they will spam posts that say absolutely nothing at all. They will in general be useless in their games and if they win it is nothing more than pure luck.

Typically these types of people go on to post many threads on the forum about how to act within a mafia game, how to create cases etc despite having no experience doing anything productive in a mafia games successfully. I really feel like it's holding back this site; you know, all the people suffering from spastic illogicitis
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:48 am

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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:27 am

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not spastic illlogicitis!
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:52 pm

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also in response to the OP:

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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:03 pm

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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:30 pm

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In post 38, Untrod Tripod wrote:also in response to the OP:

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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:09 am

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goddammit all these threads I see with all the fucking haters

Why can't you just stop being smart-alecks you fucking pissheads
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:11 pm

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In post 35, Junpei wrote:Right afterwards I petition to get rid of people acting as what I like to call a dumbass-aleck. These people like to make shitposts in all subforums including this one and the main mafia forums. Typically they will spam posts that say absolutely nothing at all. They will in general be useless in their games and if they win it is nothing more than pure luck.

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Just so you know, notes play melodies, not the other way around.

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