Roleblocked Tracker vs. Target Went Nowhere

[BBmolla]

Is it normal to differentiate between these two results

AKA is both "No Result" or is one "No Result" and the other "Target Went Nowhere"

[Toomai]

If a role learns that nothing happened, that's not a "no result", it's a result of "nothing happened". I don't know whether that's "normal" as in "people expect it", but it's "Normal" as in "mandatory for Normal games".

[FakeGod]

are you talking about normal or Normal

because your mod is in control of the first and N is in control of the second

[Faraday]

Is it normal to differentiate between these two results

yeah

if you don't it's just really dumb imo

[Majiffy]

Is it normal to differentiate between these two results

yeah

if you don't it's just really dumb imo

[BBmolla]

word.

[mastin2]

It is something that you should generally write your PMs to make explicit. There are multiple ways to do so, the most obvious being stating in the PM, "you will be told they targeted nobody" AND then having a disclaimer of, "should your action fail, you will receive 'no result'", since having "targeted nobody" next to "no result" makes it explicit that the two are different.

That being said, outside Normals, there's nothing wrong with a tracker where action failing and visiting-nobody return identical results...so long as they are aware of this fact. It weakens their role, but them being aware of it keeps it from being quite frankly bastard-modding. Again, making it explicit as possible helps. To use the above, you could simply invert it: "if they targeted nobody, you will receive 'no result'. Should your action fail, you will receive 'no result'."

[The Bulge]

Mechanics which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
...
Returning "No Result" to Trackers who do not see their target go anywhere (in favor of "Your target did not visit anyone")

[Katsuki]

I think the language in that case should be 'you did not see your target go anywhere'.

[Majiffy]

Or alternatively, "you were

unable

to see your target go anywhere"

Leaves it open for ninjas, blocks, ascetics and no-actions.

[quadz08]

"unable" actually

implies

a block or ninja or something, rather than your target simply not doing anything. "did not see your target" is correctly neutral, I think.

[LlamaFluff]

If you successfully target a player performing a trackable action: Your target visited X
If you successfully target a player unable to perform an action, not performing an action, or if their role returns a "went nowhere" result: Your target went nowhere
If you unsuccessfully target a player due to being blocked or the player being untrackable (e.g. hider, commuter): Your action failed

So...

You target a VT: Went nowhere
You target a Mason: Went nowhere
You target a VT and got RBed: Action failed
You target a commuter activating their ability: Action failed
You target a PR who forgot to submit an action/chose not to act: Went nowhere
You target a ninja submitting a kill: Went nowhere

[Magua]

Giving roleblocked trackers "Visited no one" is a terrible idea.

There were some mods, back in the day, who would gives cops who had been roleblocked "Innocent" instead of "failed". That's equally terrible, but for some reason some people find it more palatable with trackers, despite them being a fundamentally weaker pr.

[RichardGHP]

"unable" actually

implies

a block or ninja or something, rather than your target simply not doing anything. "did not see your target" is correctly neutral, I think.

This. It's not lying to the player and also doesn't give away the fact that there's a roleblocker or equivalent.

[quadz08]

I agree with llama - sorry if what I said implied otherwise

[RichardGHP]

Oh. I was going more along Katsuki's line.

[vonflare]

Giving roleblocked trackers "Visited no one" is a terrible idea.

There were some mods, back in the day, who would gives cops who had been roleblocked "Innocent" instead of "failed". That's equally terrible, but for some reason some people find it more palatable with trackers, despite them being a fundamentally weaker pr.

[SleepyKrew]

I don't think you're qualified to talk about "back in the day" until you're old enough to not self-censor the word pornography.

[vonflare]

Giving roleblocked trackers "Visited no one" is a terrible idea.

There were some mods, back in the day, who would gives cops who had been roleblocked "Innocent" instead of "failed". That's equally terrible, but for some reason some people find it more palatable with trackers, despite them being a fundamentally weaker pr.

I don't think you're qualified to talk about "back in the day" until you're old enough to not self-censor the word pornography.

I quoted because true.

Calm yourself man

[SleepyKrew]

...Well that interaction went nowhere.

[vonflare]

That was an interaction? I interpreted it as an insult.