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Think about it this way though. The vigs only get to shoot the second best answers. The best answers are always taken. The town collaborates and picks the scummiest person to lynch. Sure the scum can interfere with that, but they can only interfere a little bit without risking their own necks.
The vig, at best, can shoot the second scummiest player as was exposed by the previous day's dayplay.
Add onto this that the town continues the day until they feel comfortable that, as a collaborating group, that a certain player is sufficiently scummier than null to warrant a lynch. They will prolong the dayplay until the deadline or until they reach that point. Then they will stop. They won't keep going until the scummiest person in town AND the second scummiest person in town BOTH reach the comfort margin of sufficiently better than random chances to kill. Perhaps they should, especially if the setup is open or they have some other indication that the extra kill showing up each night isn't from SK or multiball. You can't just prolong games all the time without cost, though, game interest and tempo are often dependent on lynches getting reached at certain points, that's just reality (I think there are stats out there that megalong days don't produce more accurate lynch results but I can't remember.)
So since the Vig goes second, he has a harder time doing what the town got first dibs doing. It's like being the last person to place your settlement in Catan or Risk or whatever.
Maybe dayvigs do better.
It might be the lone gun IQ tax though. My best vig performance was when I was a vig in a neighbor group in a large. I think it might have helped with the "3. A person can outthink themselves" concern Vampirate touched on."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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No, but he's a student, and that's advice basically straight out of my mouth.
Frankly as a vig, I don't shoot. Maybe if I'm a full vig, I'd shoot once to confirm I have the power to shoot. (AKA, the BROseidon school of vig thought.) Or maybe, if the game's going into mylo soon, and there's no reason to believe shooting town will cost the game, then taking a shot should in theory increase the odds by making it lylo instead of mylo. (Note that this only applies the night before mylo. Actually shooting if there's a no-lynch IN mylo? Uh...yeah. Not happening.) Otherwise, just far too destructive a power to use.
Dayvigs may have a little more utility, though even then, tread cautiously.My academy.
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A vig shouldn't shoot unless they are SURE their target is scum.
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In post 105, Alchemist21 wrote:I would interpret "simplifying the game" as shooting scumspects that aren't likely to get lynched, or whose lynch if Town would waste a Day Phase. This would be targets such as lurkers or players everyone susepcts but nobody is voting.
thats how I look at it to. Anyone who is suspicious but is like 3rd in line for lynch is who I look forthird best scummer of all time- TellTaleHeart
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If you are a limited number of shots vig, its ok not to kill sometimes.
If you can kill every night, you should!
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I think it's a defensible positon that there are maybe some complex factors going on that suggest you abstain from shooting as vig.
Me personally, I'm shooting every night."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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In post 103, mastin2 wrote:Frankly as a vig, I don't shoot.
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In post 112, hiplop wrote:I shoot always if I have unlimited shots! take out the question marks!
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See a slot that barely contributes? Fill them with a bullet.
See a slot that has 20% of the game's posts? Fill them with at least 20 bullets.
See a slot that will give insight into the alignments of a lot of people if they flip? Fill them with a bullet.
See a slot that wants to get lynched? Fill them with a bullet.
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Confession: whenever I'm in a game where the mentality is to always wait until the deadline to lynch makes me super bored. I don't mind long deadlines as long as they dont feel unneccessary. when a lynch candidate is basically agreed upon I think the day should end in most casesthird best scummer of all time- Banakai
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Yeah, if you're a vig, you really should shoot. I mean, town getting two lynhes every day instead of one dramatically increases their odds of winning.
Just, you know, don't be stupid. If everyone else thinks that X is town and you're paranoid about it, then you're probably wrong. Being a vig tends to make you paranoid and think your judgement is better then it really is.
Also, vigs always seem to shoot me when I'm town. Really, only when I'm town; I've never been vigged when scum, only when town.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie- mastin2
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Have youIn post 111, Papa Zito wrote:
oh my god whatIn post 103, mastin2 wrote:Frankly as a vig, I don't shoot.seenmy accuracy with reads?
...I rest my case.
No shooting for me.My academy.
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In post 113, Ankamius wrote:In post 112, hiplop wrote:I shoot always if I have unlimited shots! take out the question marks!
thisthisthisthisthis
See a slot that's nullish scum on a lot of people's reads lists? Fill them with a bullet.
See a slot that barely contributes? Fill them with a bullet.
See a slot that has 20% of the game's posts? Fill them with at least 20 bullets.
See a slot that will give insight into the alignments of a lot of people if they flip? Fill them with a bullet.
See a slot that wants to get lynched? Fill them with a bullet.
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In post 120, Accountant wrote:Nothing wrong with lying as town if you have a valid reason.
you don't have a valid reasonThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.- catboi
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that's the worst reason of them all
...and make no mistake. when i say you don't have a valid reason, i mean YOU PERSONALLY, hypothetical reader who's actually thinking about lying to get a lynch. i'm looking you straight in the eyes and telling you that your reasons for even thinking about doing that are crap. now i'm leaning over and whispering in your ear that you're not all that and you should get over yourself.The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success. - Antihero
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